[v6ops] draft minutes, ietf84 thursday 0900.
joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Sat, 11 August 2012 18:03 UTC
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Draft Minutes IETF 84 Thursday August 2nd - Agenda Discussion - Sept 29th interim meeting dicussion. Q - how many folks would be at ripe anyway A - order of a dozen Ron Bonica - Q - asking question of are there drafts that we would want to discuss with a larger community 20-25ish hands Date is noted as Saturday, September 29th - 1. Design Guidelines for IPv6 Networks 29-Jun-12, <draft-matthews-v6ops-design-guidelines> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/84/slides/slides-84-v6ops-6.pdf Tim C - As one of the authors of 5375 there's a been a lot of deplyment since then Fred B - with respect to 5375 should people who want make changes to it file erratum on it? Dan Y - this document would be worthwhile - security considerations should be infilled. Brian H (jabber) - Is someone proposing to use the errata system as an issue tracker? Joel J (fred)- @brian - fred, but not exactly Joel J (mic) - Is this a style guide from one person's view or a survey of existing design styles? fred B - icp guidance - is it time to last call it? Supported additional work on the document - Eric Kline, Eric Nygren, Dan York 2. IPv6 Guidance for Internet Content and Application Service Providers 10-Jul-12, <draft-ietf-v6ops-icp-guidance> (no slides required) Fred - (discussion of last call on mailing list after the meeting) 3. Service Provider Wi-Fi Services Over Residential Architectures 29-Apr-12, <draft-gundavelli-v6ops-community-wifi-svcs> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/84/slides/slides-84-v6ops-7.pdf dan y - it's in interesting draft - is this a v6ops doc ? Fred - does this document belong here ? (poll) we don't really have a viewpoint in paris there was some interest. continue to work it with interested parties and we'll see where that goes. 4. Enterprise Incremental IPv6 16-Jul-12, <draft-chkpvc-enterprise-incremental-ipv6> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/84/slides/slides-84-v6ops-0.pdf Fred - most recent guidance in this area is rfc 4852 historically what the ietf has recomeded a pa prefix you recomended pi I take it you have an opinion Number of people at mic - Tim C, Lorenzo C, Bob H, Fred - document should talk about different options Lorenzo C - Using two prefixes is not multihoming ... NPT in Japan is a use case of how a pig can fly if there are enough economics behind it Eric K - disable security extentions - disagree as phrased Tim C - - reviewing where we are in current practice allows us to idenitfy shortcomings Merike k - I like this work. there's probably other general guidelines that you can point out differing opinions on. Philip M - second bullet question about isis vs ospf Lorenzo C - ospfv3 is a similar protocol not the same. point-3 I don't agree with - there are other ways in v6. no comfortable making a recomnedation feels - like it started a here's what we did morphed into here's how we did it Mark A - Lots of enterprises knock out icmp completely, just doesn't work completely Tim C - 4860 talks about filtering policy K K - is the document too ambitious> Fred B - Perception is that a document of this class is desired Want three operators who have deployed ipv6 to review and comment on the draft. Those who want it to become a working group draft hum (some in favor) (none opposed) 5. A Reference Framework for DC Migration to IPv6 19-Jun-12, <draft-lopez-v6ops-dc-ipv6> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/84/slides/slides-84-v6ops-1.pdf Dan Y - I think it's another good one. Make a comment to the chairs - that this is a package of a documents. we should harmonize some names Philip M - jsut a question - does that apply to wireline incremental? Lorenzo C - Full disclusre wee did do this (nat64) but it was 2008 and our own infrastrucure - in a multitenetant there's no way to pipe this in. joel j - we shouldn't say that it's a sustainable solution. Diego L - this is certainly switchable warren k - This doesn't work for use but does that mean it doesn't work for anyone. Lorenzo - we should talk about what wording we can use to to gain consensus on it. place mautrity level on non—equal footing with 2 and 3 Fred B - hum for wg acceptance (some in favor), (none opposed.0 Return to discussion of: - 1. Design Guidelines for IPv6 Networks 29-Jun-12, <draft-matthews-v6ops-design-guidelines> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/84/slides/slides-84-v6ops-6.pdf due to remaining time. Discussion of dedicated v6 vs v4/v6 circuits/vlans/pseudowires boris y (telus) - consistency of quos control (by address family) lorenzo C- Option b only exists because of bad job a specifiy per interface protocol counters. Tim C - Just another example when mentioning that tradeoff (vendor gap) Bill F - Hardware issue, it's in the 2006 spec discussion of link local addressing: Lorenzo C- a breaks traceroute - e.g. when there are multiple links. (e.g. because you don't see the hashingtake place. Marc blanchett - would be great to have one but I doubt the level of consensus will reise to than inclusive of nanog/ fred B - expect to see ongoing work - should we be adopting this? hum? (more in favor than opposed) not strog though. lets continue working it
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