Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-vyncke-v6ops-ipv6-only-thin-clients

Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au> Mon, 29 June 2015 02:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-vyncke-v6ops-ipv6-only-thin-clients
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      From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>;
 To: v6ops list <v6ops@ietf.org>; 
Cc: draft-vyncke-v6ops-ipv6-only-thin-clients@.ietf.org 
 Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2015, 9:54
 Subject: Re: [v6ops] new draft: draft-vyncke-v6ops-ipv6-only-thin-clients
   
> 1.  Wake-on-Lan
...
>    for a specific host.  This is called the magic packet: with the
>    Ethernet payload having somewhere 6 bytes containing 0xFF followed by
>    16 times the network interface datalink-layer address.

How is this going to work with surveillance-averse clients that change
their MAC address from time to time? I think wake-on-lan is going to
need a complete rethink (including IPv6, of course) because of this.

/ As I haven't worked on a network that uses WoL, I was thinking that it must already be pretty onerous to be maintaining a list of devices and their MAC addresses for WoL purposes. 
/ There seem to be a number of other WoL methods; here are the list of WoL packet types/events that can be set using the Linux 'ethtool' utility for a NIC:

--       wol p|u|m|b|a|g|s|d...              Sets Wake-on-LAN options.  Not all devices  support  this.   The              argument  to  this  option  is a string of characters specifying              which options to enable.
              p   Wake on PHY activity              u   Wake on unicast messages              m   Wake on multicast messages              b   Wake on broadcast messages              a   Wake on ARP              g   Wake on MagicPacket™              s   Enable SecureOn™ password for MagicPacket™              d   Disable (wake on  nothing).   This  option                  clears all previous options.
       sopass xx:yy:zz:aa:bb:cc              Sets  the  SecureOn™ password.  The argument to this option must              be 6 bytes in Ethernet MAC hex format (xx:yy:zz:aa:bb:cc).--
/ Looking at the WoL spec referenced, that looks to be the MagicPacket option mentioned above. Perhaps networks using WoL are using more coarse methods which would continue to work even with changing MAC addresses.

/ Regards,/ Mark.


It seems to me that to solve this *and* the PXE issue, there's going
to end up being some requirement for the thin client to wake itself
up periodically and execute some sort of discovery process. (Something
we are going to need in the Anima WG, too, IMHO.)

Regards
  Brian



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