Re: [v6ops] Suresh Krishnan's Yes on draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras-06: (with COMMENT)

Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com> Wed, 15 August 2018 15:45 UTC

Return-Path: <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691A0131069; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 08:45:03 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.998
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YtqJjGwl-at3; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 08:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-it0-x22e.google.com (mail-it0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28411130FE9; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 08:45:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-it0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id h23-v6so2484626ita.5; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 08:45:01 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=+uKyF4XsfD5n/yXKIqZ71SWh36KUy9rqOoOjZUmqr8Y=; b=COLds982gt2UmgZyhIjuL3JYOmqFWYhSdep8F2LIU8xskJW5g2Q3D87aLz5cAbHUst cmkUzsyVMIvYnfnDcIzuvEhx69u65g8ljFIj+D96xmP+KM5dAUjnEAWdXRNIBZRrAGih OC7f9EPe1htKHYkZcJdLvd1MVF0W7JgbMwSLVYga2kWC/15CgrTaecSIwUhQhIVHRywU IzNnqGk7X/S0gMaThfG1P5g+jRjXSB3XGRCx5BociGOK9sw7fWom8QUM7n2+bnrSZh0T aRYYr8T4YgJDBDmFvHqeb4aCNqosBsSNArdgrkizUBhX5XNcARv3eOamhOeXwd9kvdKx 9pVw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=+uKyF4XsfD5n/yXKIqZ71SWh36KUy9rqOoOjZUmqr8Y=; b=oJ8XkyIKI/FLbF+LPJa21dhYI2NCXfrrSxQfGAYQCK4CI6s4OKda/2V3UnqkdTD/R1 roPUUowyHAkgAJSp3XjrbEGzgLF5yAD3lgLidFp90oLcHpFL5WU21izPuPSGkLiiTHn+ e0grw4zlRLF4a8w1OkMbKl5cQkOryTNhR9gjF5OuV19UVHJRf1z5WAk3iuWJx6f6XN6w 8PMVoejI+ho8EKh7vBMWq82c7xYBeP7rsWPD6zEacjpo5h7fhe5REBaaCNrB7jQUipmc zg0BMhJqO686pvwjK+/Emr3sKGOKVJ528zoZRHpnwbsmf+WXnYtIp+GnJPXO7/AsXk6R dZyA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGJC1o6GcUR3Q9qVCbySbtZb3paq7FZjSSTQOz8ErOn1wCDbwjc Uum7emQQmf4dqJZh+k11alrG5Yt2BG4=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPx8tVdg50xkv58qowysnKI+8/fw2VAuQHYqu6S3MuTIjdREO0eNm15vZDz+NOucdvDTYn6a9A==
X-Received: by 2002:a02:4dda:: with SMTP id t87-v6mr23527889jad.51.1534347900386; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 08:45:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [10.0.0.15] (45-19-110-76.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. [45.19.110.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m7-v6sm9191648iog.30.2018.08.15.08.44.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Aug 2018 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com>
Message-Id: <1DCC2206-60F2-4B21-BEE2-02C36E6A5CC2@gmail.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_14004EDF-1D78-41AB-89FE-2718FCB6D4A9"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\))
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:44:58 -0400
In-Reply-To: <CAJE_bqeEUKWBA1St3du0aJ=KQJenj-j0XGXwiPQGk9CZJN24Gg@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com>, v6ops@ietf.org, russ@riw.us, v6ops-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras@ietf.org, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
To: 神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp>
References: <153321790308.2265.731201835682425291.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <CAFU7BAQVqWajKtnsAZ4Ys52BZS7hkoD2E0vmB-Dg=+pYndxCMQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAJE_bqeEUKWBA1St3du0aJ=KQJenj-j0XGXwiPQGk9CZJN24Gg@mail.gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/LzXBq91xLKFBck9-0CKcJhw3oBg>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Suresh Krishnan's Yes on draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras-06: (with COMMENT)
X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27
Precedence: list
List-Id: v6ops discussion list <v6ops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/v6ops/>
List-Post: <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:45:04 -0000

Hi Jinmei-san,

> On Aug 10, 2018, at 1:27 PM, 神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp <mailto:jinmei@wide.ad.jp>> wrote:
> 
> At Fri, 10 Aug 2018 22:25:50 +1000,
> Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com <mailto:furry13@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> > I've added a paragraph clarifying that we only modify preferred
> > lifetime and that RFC4862 does not
> > allow an RA with both preferred and valid lifetime for the prefix set
> > to 0 to invalidate the address completely:
> > 
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras-07 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras-07>
> 
> To be very accurate, it's still allowed if the RA is authenticated:
> 
>           Neighbor Discovery [RFC3971]).  If the Router Advertisement
>           was authenticated, the valid lifetime of the corresponding
>           address should be set to the Valid Lifetime in the received
>           option.
> 
> (whether v6ops-conditional-ras should be this accurate is a different
> question, for which I don't have a strong opinion)

Yes. You are absolutely correct, but given the lack of deployment of SEND this pretty much means that this will be a no-op. To allow for wiggle room we can add something like “in most cases” to qualify the new text regarding valid lifetime.

Thanks
Suresh