Re: [v6ops] IPmix version 01 modification.

Thanks, but I don't have experience with the ieee, I tried to contact them (Ethernet WG chair) to know how to use their website to submit a draft but I got no response till now.

First, I read about 10 pages to get information about how they work, but still unclear how the standardization process go there.

Khaled
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From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 8:54:12 PM
To: Ted Lemon
Cc: Khaled Omar; Simon Hobson; IPv6 Operations
Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPmix version 01 modification.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 1:32 PM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com<mailto:mellon@fugue.com>> wrote:
Mr. Omar, layer 1 signaling is simply out of scope for the IETF.

Indeed. It is also (as stated by the chairs) out of scope for V6OPS (and 6MAN) -- the IEEE (https://www.ieee.org/) may be a place worth trying to discuss this.
W

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 1:21 PM Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com<mailto:eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>> wrote:
There are many issues here that needs some focusing then we can move to the main issue that has relevance to the WG charter, no.1 is the name of the new signal, we can't call it analogue just because it has different values, but we can call it digital because it encodes a digital stream into a new digital stream with limited values, no.2 the amount of information carried (I.e. what is the standard track that determines how many bits can be eencoded on every one output), no.3 compressing normal binary bits to compress 32 bits in 5 bits (so this will help in many things including compressing an IPv6 address to be 20 bits or increasing the IPv4 address space using fractional IPv4 address).

Sorry for discussing irrelevant topics here but the main idea that came here took us to other topics.

Thanks,

Khaled
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From: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 2:02:52 PM
To: Khaled Omar; v6ops@ietf.org<mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>; Simon Hobson
Subject: [v6ops] IPmix version 01 modification.

On 18/11/2018 01:22, Khaled Omar wrote:
Look, electronically, what is 0 and what is 1, 0 is 0 voltage, and 1 is 5 voltage, below 5 voltage is 0, 5 or over voltage is 1, so the values of voltages that can represent a 0 are listed on the file 0, 0.1, 0.2, etc and the values of voltages that can represent a 1 are 5, 5.1, 5.2, etc, so the 32 bits can be represented by 5 bits.

For example, the output can be 00000 for many number of inputs, and each 00000 has a different value of voltage that represents each 0.

Now it is very clear, looking forward for more discussions anywhere.

Congratulations, you've just invented a digital to analogue converter. The problem is that these have been around for a long time. The other problem is that the type of encoding you're speaking about is similar to analogue TV signals like composite video etc. You immediately run into problems of phase, interference between the different signals as well as tolerance issues such as thermal and age tolerance - resistors and capacitors that change tolerance over time. That's without taking into account the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem and resulting Aliasing especially at higher frequencies.

It's basically a non starter.

Kindest regards,

Olivier

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