Re: [v6ops] IPmix relevance to the v6ops Charter

It is public on the charter topics, which is not the case.

Regards,

Jordi

De: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
Fecha: sábado, 17 de noviembre de 2018, 23:51
Para: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
CC: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
Asunto: Re: [v6ops] IPmix relevance to the v6ops Charter

This list is for public use, what this means, it means there are more contributions expected from participants until they finish the discussion, then if no more to add then it will be the end of the discussion.

Khaled

From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:42:05 AM
To: Khaled Omar; Warren Kumari
Cc: IPv6 Operations
Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPmix relevance to the v6ops Charter 

I’ve not heard a single voice telling that this work should be in this list or 6man, and the chairs of both, had already told you that it is out of scope.

You’re asking where to discuss it, if you think there is other people interested, create your own email list and ask those folks to subscribe to it.

Regards,

Jordi

De: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
Fecha: sábado, 17 de noviembre de 2018, 23:35
Para: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
CC: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
Asunto: Re: [v6ops] IPmix relevance to the v6ops Charter

Jordi,

We are not discussing on the IETF main mailing list, I think the IETf gives me the right to submit a draft and discuss it freely with the relevant WGs and with the appropriate people, this few e-mails can be ignored by those who are not interested for now, but don't keep always stop the discussion like that, there are many people who are willing to represent themselves and share thoughts.

Khaled 

From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:24:35 AM
To: Khaled Omar; Warren Kumari
Cc: IPv6 Operations
Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPmix relevance to the v6ops Charter 

You can create your own discussion group outside IETF, but please stop creating unnecessary noise in the lists, which only discourage people to keep participating in other more relevant works.

I will love the chairs to ban you for a long time if you insist going on.

You need to learn how IETF works, we like it or not (I’m not saying is perfect, and indeed we can do it much better), but in this specific case, you are wasting people time instead of reading all the information that is there to tell you how to contribute. Many people tried to help you in the right direction, including myself when I was sergeant-at-arms, and you keep ignoring everything, or maybe not interested in understanding it.

Regards,

Jordi

De: v6ops <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
Fecha: sábado, 17 de noviembre de 2018, 22:54
Para: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
CC: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
Asunto: Re: [v6ops] IPmix relevance to the v6ops Charter

I'm not repeating myself, maybe the core idea is the same but there are many changes that works towards solving this problem, I have one more word to say, where can we discuss this topic if v6ops and 6man have barriers regarding this discussion?

Best Regards

Khaled Omar

From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 12:27:52 AM
To: Khaled Omar
Cc: Fred Baker; IPv6 Operations
Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPmix relevance to the v6ops Charter 

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 3:12 PM Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi Warren,

The protocol is under development, but does this means that allowing IPv-4 only hosts to communicate to IPv6-only hosts and vice versa has no relevance to any of these WGs?

We already have multiple transition technologies -- the working groups have not demonstrated interest in your proposal. 

Bob Hinden told you that IPmix is off-topic in the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group. Fred has said the same for the V6OPS charter, and I agree with him. 

I understand that you believe that you have a great idea / solution, but there isn't any support for this in any of the IETF WGs. I'm sorry - I know that this must be frustrating for you, but simply repeating yourself isn't going  to change that.

W

Khaled

From: Warren Kumari [mailto:warren@kumari.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:36 PM
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>; IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPmix relevance to the v6ops Charter

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:28 AM Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 14, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> This is part of the v6ops charter, so my comment is to work in the host to achieve the last part.

Two comments:

1) I wish you luck. Changing the host has been the hardest part, in the sense that the common Socket layer is partially implemented in the applications, so deploying IPv6 has meant a minor change to every application.

2) Hosts are not the topic of v6ops; networks are.

Bob Hinden told you that IPmix is off-topic in the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group (6man, ipv6@ietf.org) and asked you to take your topic elsewhere. The same is true for IPv6 Operations (v6ops@ietf.org). I'm trying to be gentle with you, as you clearly don't know your way around. But this topic doesn't belong on this list.

This is very true -- it is more like 6MAN that V6OPS, but it certainly doesn't fit in the V6OPS charter.

The fact that V6OPS, 6MAN *and* the IETF Discuss list have all said that this is off-topic indicates that the IETF doesn't want to work on this..

W

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This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
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