Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statement-req-00.txt
Rémi Després <remi.despres@free.fr> Mon, 21 July 2008 09:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statement-req-00.txt
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marcelo bagnulo braun - Le 7/19/08 4:38 PM : > Rémi Després escribió: >>> >>> ,-----. ,-----. >>> ,' `. ,' `. >>> / \ / \ >>> / IPv6-only \ / IPv4-only \ >>> / Domain +-----------+ Domain \ >>> ; | Tunnel | : >>> | | endpoint | | >>> : +-----+ +-----------+ ; >>> \ |Dual | / \ +----+ / >>> \ |Stack| / \ |IPv4| / >>> \ |Host | / \ |Host| / >>> `.+-----+,' `. +----+,' >>> '-----' '-----' >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In this case, the dual stack host needs to establish a IPv4 in IPv6 >>> tunnel to the tunnel endpoint. In addition to that, the dual stack >>> needs to obtain a IPv4 address that is valid in the IPv4-only domain. >>> The simplest option is for the dual stack to obtain an IPv4 public >>> address. However, this may not be possible due to the shortage of >>> IPv4 public addresses. The other option is to use an IPv4 private >>> address >>> (and potentially in conjunction with IPv4 NAT). The other option >>> is for the dual stack to obtain a public IPv4 transport address. >>> In all the cases, the acquisition of the address can be performed >>> dynamically. >> >> After "... shortage of IPv4 public addresses." you could add: >> "The other option is to obtain an IPv4 public address with a limited >> range of usable ports." >> > this is already implicity in the IPv4 transport address part Not quite: a Transport address cannot IMU be considered equivalent to an address plus A RANGE of ports. (This additional alternative is part of draft-despres-v6ops-apbp-01.) New proposal to actually cover the point: after "transport address", add "or a public IPv4 address plus a limited range of ports". > Teemu proposed to include: >> >> Proposal (additions between "s): >> The translation mechanism SHOULD be quickly discoverable, preferably >> in one RTT, to help moving "dual stack" hosts "or router CPEs" better >> assess capabilities of available access networks and to provide good >> user experience. >> >> > again, this doesn't apply to the translation case, but the second tunnel > case that we are now including, > so this should be included in wherever we decide to make a list fo the > requirements for these other scenarios Is there a reference to see how this tunnel case is introduced? Regards. Rémi
- changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statement-re… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… Alain Durand
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… Alain Durand
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… Alain Durand
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… marcelo bagnulo braun
- RE: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… Dan Wing
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… Alain Durand
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… Rémi Després
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… Jari Arkko
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… Rémi Després
- RE: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… teemu.savolainen@nokia.com
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… Rémi Després
- RE: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… teemu.savolainen
- Re: changes to draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statemen… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Title of draft-ietf-v6ops-nat64-pb-statement-req-… Rémi Després