Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT
Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Mon, 04 March 2013 20:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT
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I'm fine if we don't mention NPT in the draft. If we are going to mention NPT, then I will strenuously object unless the draft also contains language specifying that any form of address translation is not recommended. Owen On Mar 4, 2013, at 6:33 AM, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 12:20:52PM +0000, Liubing (Leo) wrote: >> B: "Not recommended" is way too much, we need fairly stating the pros and cons in the document. Since NPTv6 is a reasonable requirement of the real end-users. Configuring BGP for PI would not feet all the users, especially the small enterprises and home users. And needs no cost on RIR fees. Moreover, no limited PI might potentially cause serious BGP4 scaling issue, considering the multihoming requirement in IPv6 might explode. > > This. > > (Actually there's 3 options - BGP+PI, ULA+NPTv6, and PA space from the > provider, potentially having multiple prefixes from multiple providers > active at the same time. Which currently has more drawbacks than benefits, > but has the potential to be more lightweight and at the same time more > powerful than both BGP+PI and ULA+NPTv6 for "end user networks") > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops
- [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Philipp Kern
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Bill Jouris
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Philipp Kern
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Bill Jouris
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Bill Jouris
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Arturo Servin
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Mark Andrews
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- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Rogue RAs was: ULA discussion #1 ULA+… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Liubing (Leo)
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Conrad
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ray Hunter
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Philipp Kern
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Tom Perrine
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Joel Wirāmu Pauling
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Doug Barton
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Philipp Kern
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] ULA discussion #1 ULA+NAT Alexandru Petrescu