Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//draft-jiang-v6ops-semantic-prefix-03
Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com> Fri, 07 June 2013 02:42 UTC
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From: Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Could IPv6 address be more than locator?//draft-jiang-v6ops-semantic-prefix-03
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>> Yes, this discussion has become far way from my original motivation of >analysing semantic prefix mechanism. I am going to stop replying to the >discuss regarding to the avaibilities of bits. In the future version, I will add the >bits consumption as one of the pitfalls. >> >> By the way, ISPs are only one kind of network operators who are interesting >in semantic prefix. Enterprise network operators are another group of >network operators who can benefit from embedded semantics. And the >enterprises do not have subscribers who potentially need extra bits. > >Your use of the word "benefit" here is questionable at best. It is an example of >language that seems to encourage this use rather than evaluate it in an >unbiased manner. > >"Enterprise operators are another group of network operators which may >succumb to this nasty pitfall of embedded semantics" would be an equally >biased statement in the opposite direction. > >I suggest that neutral would require something more along the lines of: > >"Enterprise operators are another group of network operators which may >choose to embed semantics in their address prefixes." > >Now, in terms of arguing the merits, there are significant differences between >these two. In the case of an enterprise operator, their choice to embed >semantics in the address has a limited scope of harm. It can only negatively >impact said enterprise. > >In the case of an ISP, this can have significant consequences not only for the >ISP, but also for their downstream customers. Hi, Owen, I take this as much more useful discussion than bit availability. I share your opinion that ISPs should be much more carefully as their will be consequences for downstream customers, comparing to enterprise. These will be included into the future version. :) As a neutral analysis, it is fine to say there are benefits and pitfalls. All good things come with costs. I will make sure we document both sides in the draft. Best regards, Sheng >Owen
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