Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6ops-design-choices - NAT
Victor Kuarsingh <victor@jvknet.com> Tue, 20 October 2015 12:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6ops-design-choices - NAT
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Mark, On 2015-10-19 10:38 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > On 20 October 2015 at 07:03, Brian E Carpenter > <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >>> If ULAs are the only non-Link-Local address available the >>> hosts, the enterprise will need to use translation technologies such >>> as NPT[RFC6296] or NAT66 to reach the Internet. >> I think this is still the wrong message. Here's my suggestion: >> >> The best approach is to use ULAs for internal communications and >> normal IPv6 addresses for external communications. Running multiple >> addresses in this way is a standard feature of IPv6. If for some reason >> an enterprise decides to use ULAs as the only non-Link-Local address >> available to its hosts, the enterprise will also need to use the >> experimental address prefix technology translation known as NPTv6 >> [RFC6296] to reach the Internet. > > If this is mentioned (and I would prefer it wasn't, So do I, however, that would then not reflect reality in real world choices operators / admins need to make. > because IPv4 NAT > has caused me and the Internet enough trouble), Yes, it's been a pain. > then the limitations > that even stateless NPT imposes on applications must be referenced: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6296#section-5 Good reference / point. We should include this in text and refer to that. thanks, Victor K > >> Full address translation (known >> as NAT66) is never needed for IPv6 since there is no address shortage. >> >> Regards >> Brian Carpenter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> v6ops mailing list >> v6ops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops
- [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6ops-d… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Philip Matthews
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Philip Matthews
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Follow-up Discussion - draft-ietf-v6o… holger.metschulat