Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host-07'
David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Fri, 25 August 2017 14:53 UTC
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From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host-07'
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I don't think you can just plop that in there without at least some revisions to section 4 as well. Thinking about this a bit, I think you are referring to redirects in general and your draft 'draft-templin-6man-rio-redirect' more specifically. In a current unmodified host only individual addresses and not whole prefixes can be redirected, and therefore the router would have to track individual addresses to redirect them, which again break the premise of reducing ND. Once redirects for whole prefixes are commonly available then at the discretion of the router you could do as you suggest. While I like the ideas in 'draft-templin-6man-rio-redirect' they are not generally implement in the vast majority of hosts today, and therefore networks implementing 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host' can't reasonably expect the capability to be available, and can only reasonably expect redirects for individual addresses, and implementing peer-to-peer communication on that basis is not compatible with the fundamental expectation in 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host'. Once the capabilities described in 'draft-templin-6man-rio-redirect' are generally available, I think it would be reasonable to add an option for peer-to-peer communication to a future revision of 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host', but based on the capabilities available today you can't implement peer-to-peer communications without violating other fundamental expectations in draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host'. Thanks. On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Templin, Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com > wrote: > In section 2, the document says: > > " o Two devices (subscriber/hosts), both attached to the same provider > managed shared network should only be able to communicate through > the provider managed First Hop Router" > > Please change to say: > > "o Two devices (subscriber/hosts), both attached to the same provider > managed shared network should only be able to communicate through > the provider managed First Hop Router unless the shared network > explicitly permits peer-to-peer operations" > > Thanks - Fred > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> ===============================================
- [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Mudric, Dusan (Dusan)
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Mark Smith
- [v6ops] RFC6085 scope [was Comment on 'draft-ietf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] RFC6085 scope [was Comment on 'draft-… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] RFC6085 scope [was Comment on 'draft-… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] RFC6085 scope [was Comment on 'draft-… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] RFC6085 scope [was Comment on 'draft-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Comment on 'draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-i… David Farmer