Re: [v6ops] (More) Comments on draft-buraglio-v6ops-ula

Xipengxiao <xipengxiao@huawei.com> Thu, 28 July 2022 15:45 UTC

Return-Path: <xipengxiao@huawei.com>
X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0466C136300; Thu, 28 Jul 2022 08:45:29 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.209
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.209 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kRNva4aKrinR; Thu, 28 Jul 2022 08:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 238E8C188732; Thu, 28 Jul 2022 08:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from fraeml715-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.201]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4LtvyJ45WHz67NHg; Thu, 28 Jul 2022 23:41:28 +0800 (CST)
Received: from fraeml712-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.61) by fraeml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2375.24; Thu, 28 Jul 2022 17:45:20 +0200
Received: from fraeml712-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.61]) by fraeml712-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.61]) with mapi id 15.01.2375.024; Thu, 28 Jul 2022 17:45:19 +0200
From: Xipengxiao <xipengxiao@huawei.com>
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>, "draft-buraglio-v6ops-ula@ietf.org" <draft-buraglio-v6ops-ula@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [v6ops] (More) Comments on draft-buraglio-v6ops-ula
Thread-Index: AQHYoQCUJag6+EvgekuF+C3EbYU16K2QtvkAgAAGN4CAAATXAIAAEGWAgAARRgCAADcCgIAAAWIAgAAE54CAACZPAIACgn2AgAAAiICAACPeMA==
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 15:45:19 +0000
Message-ID: <2acdbbd05dfb41f798c10392c92843aa@huawei.com>
References: <7a47cf80-1c8e-02b9-9001-2ac8f14c0a20@si6networks.com> <CAM5+tA_nXLaT7LcatOcP+foL9cVx7J5cCFc57=a7G5wjj=qQjg@mail.gmail.com> <CAPt1N1kUSm7dLn6XH-hHiPqdUjynE_QC-md2VMq-CpY133gW5Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAM5+tA-jUV3+FjvUqhb0DNqXyAYn2joKXRZoggpYKgW8etBZWA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPt1N1m6sNPnE4jKqdEOAxCHrbhm=kYY1LGCmsDnthEaN23geA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPt1N1kpjz_aWC=bCb-LNbc6f2uZ_ec_YC9OZSR7mNo85BadkA@mail.gmail.com> <bf75da29-1104-adf7-a6c4-fa81e70f9f29@si6networks.com> <CAPt1N1mtFvnbsTV4JHfWFaoOCdnttQ7ewENc2j_zXY6nVHb32Q@mail.gmail.com> <7faab1fd-fff1-2d24-9147-565c46a9977f@gmail.com> <CAPt1N1m_+HTDCY3p8WO_WuUTFkbQQvz37KK4fkbcREj74mxPbA@mail.gmail.com> <88B15163-3929-4FAB-8C37-C2E35CED0DD9@gmail.com> <CAPt1N1nUEHtHqSXCnNqn+a7pDk8YE9v=BrbdN7nX3LBH1m5VVg@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAPt1N1nUEHtHqSXCnNqn+a7pDk8YE9v=BrbdN7nX3LBH1m5VVg@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [10.81.213.128]
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2acdbbd05dfb41f798c10392c92843aahuaweicom_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/uER_eCvpY7Jz-lPu3HU71eTJNMQ>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] (More) Comments on draft-buraglio-v6ops-ula
X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: v6ops discussion list <v6ops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/v6ops/>
List-Post: <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 15:45:29 -0000

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-deployment/ made an effort to define what IPv6-only is.  I think it did a fine job.  If we can agree on what IPv6-only is, we can also agree on what Dual-Stack is (any IPv6 deployment that is not IPv6-only is Dual-Stack).  So it would be great if you folks can take a look at Section 1.1 and see if you agree.

XiPeng

From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ted Lemon
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:30 AM
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>; IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>; draft-buraglio-v6ops-ula@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [v6ops] (More) Comments on draft-buraglio-v6ops-ula

Sorry, but that was deliberate. I don’t think we have a lot of clarity as to what we mean by dual stack. That leads, as you rightly pointed out, to circular discussions.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 11:28 Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:


> On Jul 26, 2022, at 6:08 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com<mailto:mellon@fugue.com>> wrote:
>
> For example, is a v6-only network with NAT64 dual-stack?

No hats.

With respect, I tend to think this question muddies the waters. You said it's a v6-only network. It's v6-only. If it has an access mechanism (NAT64) to enable someone else to communicate with it using a different technology, that isn't inherent in the network, and doesn't change the nature of the network.