[VCARDDAV] IETF 81 minutes
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All, These are the draft minutes of the meeting. Let me know if there's any adjustment to be made. Simon > IETF 81, Québec > VCARDDAV > 2011-07-26 17:10-18:10 > > draft-cauchie-vcarddav-oma-cab-extensions > Barry Leiba > - Goal is to take the things in OMA that don't already exist in vCard and to > create properties for them. > - Agreed to take the very OMA-specific stuff out of the document. > - Need to explain better the difference with base vCard properties in some > cases. > - Will eventually have a permanent URL to the OMA spec. > - Enough guidance to make a new revision. > - Propose adoption as working group item. > Alexey Melnikov: Don't forget to take into account Chris Newman's review. > Berry: We will. > Barry: There is also some duplication between this and the next document. We'll > sort this out. > > draft-george-vcarddav-vcard-extension > Barry Leiba > - This one is less straightforward. Needs effort. > - Based on the FOAF project. > - Needs more input, needs to be fleshed out. Needs collaborators. > Alexey Melnikov: There is overlap between this and the previous one. Can be just > get one? > Barry: It's a bad idea to put all in a single document. But we need to eliminate > duplication. > Alexey: What's the IANA procedure for properties? > Barry: There's a template. A new spec can update the registry for the other > property. > Alexey: There is an expert review. > Cyrus Daboo: We want people to post this to the mailing list to get reviews. > Simon Perreault: There is no designated expert. > Barry: There is none yet. > Alexey: IANA will ask for one to be designated when it needs one. > Barry: I think it would be good for the WG to adopt this. But we need energy to > put into this draft. > Cyrus: Social networking properties are important. People are doing this with X- > properties in vCard 3. > Peter Saint-Andre: We can't do all properties in this working group. > Barry: We can start with this and then people can make extension drafts or > revisions. We can put some text saying that this is a first pass. > > draft-li-vcarddav-vcard-id-property-extensions > Barry Leiba > - Had good reviews, everybody is happy with it. > - This one and Peter's draft are the test cases for the IANA registration > process. > > draft-daboo-vcard-service-type > Cyrus Daboo > - A way of tagging properties with a service provider identifier such as > Facebook, Twitter, etc. > - Can be rolled into draft-george-vcarddav-vcard-extension. Happy to see Barry > take over that behaviour. > > draft-cal-resource-schema > Cyrus Daboo > - Defines a schema for scheduling stuff (rooms, resources, ...). > - LDAP properties and attributes. > - Needs vCard reviews, LDAP reviews, as well as calendaring reviews. Spans many > different areas. > - Had an LDAP review from Chris Newman. > - LDAP mapping is already on the charter. This draft does that for the items it > defines. > - There are more problems from LDAP to vCard than the other way. > Joe Hildebrandt: It's useful to have LDAP to vCard mapping. The other way is > less useful because it assumes you're able to write to the LDAP server. > Alexey: There is no better place than this WG for this work. > > draft-saintandre-vcarddav-thing > Peter Saint-Andre > - No longer about things, this is now about "application". > - In pretty good shape, pretty much done. > Cyrus Daboo: The cal resource schema uses a kind that does not map to > application. Do we need to define a new kind? > Peter: What is a calendar resource? Something about which there is a schedule? > Cyrus: Something that can be scheduled that is not a person, a group, or a room. > There are four CU types in iCalendar: individual, group, location, and resource. > We would like to map those to vCard. > Peter: Scheduling is something that you do with something. I would prefer to > look at it from a taxonomy perspective rather than just "something I can > schedule". > Joe Hildebrandt: Make sure "other" is in the registry, go on with our lives. > Barry: Making a "schedule" KIND is reasonable. > Peter: Can one vCard have multiple kinds? I wouldn't want a vCard with kind > "room" and kind "schedule". > Barry: There can be more than one kind for a single vCard. > Cyrus: I'll take that back to the CalConnect folks. > Peter: I looked at the LDAP spec and X.200. "device" is a piece of hardware. I > would be fine with defining that if it is useful. > Cyrus: Is "application" a kind of "device"? > Peter: No. > Cyrus: Will you add "device" to your draft? > Peter: No I won't. We should have one little one for each. > Barry: This could go in the LDAP document. > Cyrus: Yes we could do that. > > Charter discussion > Simon Perreault: We have 2 drafts ready and 4 needing work. > Barry: Ready meaning ready to pass to the IESG, but the WG still needs to adopt > them so that when they go to the IESG they are WG drafts rather than > AD-sponsored. We're talking about 6 drafts to adopt. > Simon: draft-daboo-vcard-service-type would be dropped. > Simon: Who would be interested on working on social networking stuff? > (draft-cauchie- and draft-george-) > (a couple hands) > Simon: Who will be implementing it? > (two hands) > Joe Hildebrandt: Depends on whether it gets mapped into LDAP. LDAP is becoming > more and more important to us. We may need to define new LDAP schemas to capture > this stuff. > Cyrus: I'm surprised that you think social networking will be part of a > corporate LDAP directory. I don't see that. > Joe: This is not from a corporate deployment model. This is for another thing > that we have not announced yet. > Cyrus: So do we want to write the LDAP schema for that? > Peter: Change the name from VCARDDAV to VCARDDAP. > Simon: How about LDAP and scheduling? How many people would be willing to work > on that? > (a couple hands) > Simon: Implementing? > (two hands) > Simon: How many people feel like they know LDAP well enough to have an expert > advice on these drafts? > (one hand) > Peter: Joe's raising his hand because he is a proxy to people who know LDAP. > Peter: We do have an LDAP directorate. Whenever I poke them, nothing comes back. > Alexey: I know four people in the directorate. I don't know how much time they > spend in the IETF. > Peter: Is there LDAP energy elsewhere? > Simon: If we were to be stuck with a dead technology and we wanted to import it > into vCard, would we need experts to help us? > Barry: LDAP has enough depth that having people who understand LDAP is enough. > But we can scare up a person or two to help us. > Alexey: At least half of my co-workers are working on LDAP schema. > Simon: Any other question I should be asking? > Joe: Would we need to recharter significantly? Does this require extraordinary > measures or is this within the process of recharter? > Peter: We finished a lot of the stuff in the old charter. There is still the > LDAP item. The charter doesn't need updating. It's good to reach out to LDAP > folks to at least review our work. > Alexey: How many reviews do you want? > Peter: I would like more than one interoperable implementation of the review > process. Two would be much better than one. > Cyrus: I'd like to see actual LDAP implementors. > Simon: Do authors have all the guidance they need to make new revisions? > (yes) > Barry: What does the new charter look like? Do we also include future > extensions? How long do you as chair see this WG continue? > Simon: As shortly as possible. We don't need a WG for new extensions. We have a > mailing list and an expert review. So only these 6. No need to leave it open. > Peter: We've gotten interest in these 6 documents. Others might come along but > we don't need to keep the WG around to do that. > Simon: This cycle has been helpful. You guys have received a lot of feedback > from this WG and you're going to get WG document status. If during the next > cycle there is a bunch of new documents that come along, we'll do the same > thing. > Barry: Who is responsible for the new charter? > Simon: I guess I am. -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca
- [VCARDDAV] IETF 81 minutes Simon Perreault
- Re: [VCARDDAV] IETF 81 minutes Peter Saint-Andre