Re: [VIPR] VIPR privacy issue

Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> Mon, 06 February 2012 04:57 UTC

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Just as an idle question that I have not thought about much ... how does this attack change if you assume the VIPR server and SIP edge element for a domain are running on an Amazon EC2 node?


On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Dean Willis wrote:

> 
> On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Richard L. Barnes wrote:
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>> <hat type="geopriv"/>
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>> Could we please distinguish between "location privacy" and "IP address privacy"?  They are related, but distinct concepts.
>> 
> 
> Yep. Mobile IP can give us location privacy without IP address privacy.
> 
> Hmm ...  a separate RELOAD usage for MobileIP, then bootstrap VIPR on top of that. Might work.
> 
> What ever happened to HIP, anyhow? We're just dancing around the locator-separator problem here.
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> --
> Dean
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