Re: [Webpush] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-webpush-encryption-08: (with COMMENT)

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Thu, 17 August 2017 00:44 UTC

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From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:44:03 +1000
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Subject: Re: [Webpush] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-webpush-encryption-08: (with COMMENT)
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On 17 August 2017 at 00:41, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
> Is the shared “central agent” the same as  or part of the “same user agent”? Is it a push server? A shared session with the push server (i.e. a shared push client as part of the UA)?

Think common library, daemon process, or system service.

> To broaden the question: Is this “central agent” on the usual architecture picture for webpush, or is it something different?

It's an implementation detail on the user agent.