Re: [websec] AppsDir review of draft-ietf-websec-strict-transport-sec

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Tue, 01 May 2012 19:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [websec] AppsDir review of draft-ietf-websec-strict-transport-sec
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On 2012-05-01 15:43, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@gmx.de]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:11 AM
>> To: Murray S. Kucherawy
>> Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org; websec@ietf.org; draft-ietf-websec-strict-transport-sec@tools.ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [websec] AppsDir review of draft-ietf-websec-strict-transport-sec
>>
>>> Why not just say "delta-seconds is defined in Section 3.3.2 of
>>> [RFC2616]" and leave out the restatement of the ABNF?  Then it's truly
>>> only specified in one place.
>>
>> That's *exactly* what the prose ABNF rule is doing; except that it
>> makes the in-spec ABNF complete.
>
> Yes, and I'm saying I think that's a risky thing to do.  Granted, in this particular case it's pretty hard to copy and get wrong, but in general it's safer to point to an authoritative definition of something rather than copy it just so it's all local.

Technically it *does* point to the authoritative definition.

Best regards, Julian