Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-sec-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 05 November 2014 00:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-sec-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote: > Hi all, > > On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> > wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alissa > Cooper > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 7:16 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-sec@tools.ietf.org; weirds- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; weirds@ietf.org > Subject: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap- > sec-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-sec-10: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss- > criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-sec/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > = General comment = > I'm not exactly sure which document this remark is directed at, but I'm > putting it in a DISCUSS here and we can figure that out later. > > I feel like the RDAP document suite is missing an overall explanation > of > the privacy threat model associated with registration data, the policy > choices that are left up to registry providers, and the mechanisms > included in RDAP to help protect registrant and client/user privacy > and > facilitate those policy choices. There are mentions of some of this > here > and there, but even those are not necessarily consistent with each > other > (see my DISCUSS on draft-ietf-weirds-using-http). So I think it would > be > beneficial to capture this in one place and articulate it explicitly, > rather than implicitly across the documents. Some of the salient points > for starters: > > * WHOIS data has historically included personal information about > registrants, has been made public, and has not had the benefit of > authentication or access control mechanisms to gate access to it. In > part > as a result of this, proxy and privacy services have arisen to shield > the > identities of registrants. > > * The standardization of RDAP does not change or impact the data that > registries may require to be collected from registrants. However, RDAP > data structures allow servers to indicate when data returned to clients > has been made private, redacted, obscured, or shielded by a proxy. > > * RDAP uses the jCard standard format for entity representation, but > many > of the jCard fields are irrelevant for registry operation purposes and > their use should be minimized. > > * RDAP includes mechanisms that can be used to authenticate clients, > allowing servers to support tiered access based on local policy. This > means that all registration data need no longer be public, and personal > data or data that may be considered more sensitive can have its access > restricted to specifically privileged clients. > > * [Something about confidentiality of requests and responses ... see my > other DISCUSS point below.] > > * etc. > > > I could see adding a good bit of what you wrote above to a new section > titled "Privacy Threats Associated with Registration Data" that appears as a > new section in the Introduction or perhaps between the existing sections 2 > and 3. Would one of those options work? > > > During the IESG call last week I said that I would take point on suggesting > text to accommodate both my and Kathleen’s suggestions for this new privacy > threats section. Picking up from the points above and from the thread about > Kathleen’s json-response DISCUSS, my strawman suggestion for a new section > in rdap-sec is below. I tried to frame this as an explanation of the > available choices to registries that want to mitigate the identified privacy > threats, picking up on Pete and Ed’s concerns that we do not want to be > specifying registry policy in the weirds documents. > > I’m still thinking about my other DISCUSS point re TLS … will follow up on > that later. > > --- > > Privacy Threats Associated with Registration Data > > Registration data has historically included personal data about registrants. > WHOIS services have historically made this information available to the > public, creating a privacy risk by revealing the personal details of > registrants. WHOIS services have not had the benefit of authentication or > access control mechanisms to gate access to registration data. In part as a > result of this, proxy and privacy services have arisen to shield the > identities of registrants. > > The standardization of RDAP does not change or impact the data that > registries may require to be collected from registrants, but it provides > support for a number of mechanisms that may be used to mitigate privacy > threats to registrants should registries choose to use them. > > RDAP includes mechanisms that can be used to authenticate clients, allowing > servers to support tiered access based on local policy. This means that all > registration data need no longer be public, and personal data or data that > may be considered more sensitive can have its access restricted to > specifically privileged clients. > > RDAP data structures allow servers to indicate via status values when data > returned to clients has been made private, redacted, obscured, or registered > by a proxy. Private means that the data is not designated for public > consumption. Redacted means that some registration data fields are not being > made available. Obscured means that data has been altered for the purposes > of not readily revealing the actual registration information. One option > that registries have available to them to reduce privacy risks to > registrants is to adopt policies that make use of these status values to > restrict the registrant data shared with any or all clients according to the > sensitivity of the data, the privileges of the clients, or some other > heuristics. > > RDAP uses the jCard standard format for entity representation. Registries > may find that many of the jCard fields are irrelevant for registry operation > purposes or that they have no reason to collect information from registrants > that would correspond to certain fields. Registries wishing to reduce > privacy risks for registrants may restrict which information they collect > and/or which fields they populate in responses. > > In addition to privacy risks to registrants, there are also potential > privacy risks for those who query registration data. For example, the fact > that a law enforcement officer performs a particular query may reveal > information about the officer’s activities that she would have preferred to > keep private. To provide privacy protection for those querying registrant > data as well as registrants, RDAP supports the use of HTTP over TLS. Thanks, Alissa. Your suggested text looks very good. -- Best regards, Kathleen
- [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-we… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… John R Levine
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Andy Newton
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… John Levine
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Edward Lewis
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Pete Resnick
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [weirds] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-iet… Hollenbeck, Scott