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RE: Tricky cross-area topics

Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> Thu, 03 October 2019 23:25 UTC

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From: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>
CC: IETF WG Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Tricky cross-area topics
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In INT, under the Protocol Tunneling list of questions, you want to ask whether a tunnel type is being registered (the common issue being "no, we didn't think of that").

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From: WGChairs <wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Russ Housley
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 3:17 PM
To: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>
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Subject: Re: Tricky cross-area topics

In security, you probably want to ask whether manual key management is proposed.  See RFC 4107.

Russ


> On Oct 3, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
> 
> Working group chairs --
> 
> In an attempt to reduce the number of "late surprises" with documents found during IESG review -- that is, showstopping issues with uses of technology that can sometimes require non-trivial reworking of protocol mechanisms -- the IESG has gathered together a list of topics that frequently trip up document authors and occasionally entire working groups.
> 
> The hope is that Working Group Chairs can keep an eye on these topics as new work starts up in their working groups, so that appropriate experts can be looped in early in the process, thereby avoiding late surprises during IETF last call and IESG evaluation.
> 
> The high-level list lives at <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrac.ietf.org%2Ftrac%2Fiesg%2Fwiki%2FExpertTopics&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cdthaler%40microsoft.com%7Ca0c1fb15598e4baae05008d7484f6cbe%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637057378278079494&amp;sdata=4sC5Pm1q%2FaoPN99%2Fi%2B8bUYCPjxIDkGTxWNP4Ew4qm1w%3D&amp;reserved=0>. The intent is that this should be fairly easy to scan to see whether a document under consideration for adoption touches on any of the related technologies. Each area also has its own slightly more detailed page, linked from this list, that goes into the technology areas in a bit more depth; but the intention here is that anyone using a listed technology should reach out to a directorate, expert, or area director in the related area for guidance.
> 
> Please feel free to share this list with your respective working groups however you see most fit.
> 
> Thanks!
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