RE: 63rd IETF Agenda - DRAFT
Eric Burger <eburger@brooktrout.com> Fri, 15 July 2005 02:30 UTC
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Subject: RE: 63rd IETF Agenda - DRAFT
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Wednesday afternoon would also conflict with LEMONADE. Not to start a fire, but given that it is a BOF and it probably does need a lot of time, how about Friday? Let's face it, there are a lot of "personalities" and "emotions" on this topic. Holding it on Friday will self-limit participation to those that REALLY need to be involved. They will MAKE the effort to be there. I don't buy the "Friday is inconvenient" argument on this one... > -----Original Message----- > From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:55 PM > To: Tom Taylor; Richard Shockey > Cc: rgchairs@irtf.org; IETF Secretariat; Working Group > Chairs; bofchairs@ietf.org > Subject: Re: 63rd IETF Agenda - DRAFT > > At 02:41 PM 7/14/2005, Tom Taylor wrote: > > >Is that really true given that you identified a major > overlap between > >this and the ENUM potential agenda? > > oh yes...you cant discuss voipeer without understanding what > is happening in the ENUM WG. > > The first order problem is how do you discover a point of > interconnection..this debate is raging in the ENUM WG. > > I just posted our WG agenda. It should be self evident what > the overlaps are. We are devoting a full 1 1/2 hour to the > concept of Infrastructure/Carrier ENUM. > > > IETF 63 Telephone Number Mapping (ENUM) WG Agenda > > Chair(s): > Patrik Faltstrom <paf@cisco.com> > Richard Shockey <rich.shockey@neustar.biz> > > Transport Area Advisor: > Allison Mankin <mankin@psg.com> > > Mailing Lists: > General Discussion:enum@ietf.org > To Subscribe: enum-request@ietf.org > In Body: subscribe > Archive: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/enum/ > > > AGENDA BASHING (5 min) > > > 1. Review of the existing drafts - Ready to go top Last call > ( 5-10 M ? ) > > Title : ENUM Implementation Issues and Experiences > Author(s) : L. Conroy, K. Fujiwara > Filename : draft-ietf-enum-experiences-02.txt > Pages : 29 > Date : 2005-7-1 > > This document captures experience in implementing systems based on > the ENUM protocol, and experience of ENUM data that have > been created > by others. As such, it is informational only, and > produced as a help > to others in reporting what is "out there" and the > potential pitfalls > in interpreting the set of documents that specify the protocol. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-experiences-02.txt > > > 2. Final disposition of IRIS EREG, hopefully to last call. ( 5 Min? ) > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-newton-iris-ereg-00.txt > > > 3. New/old work on enumservice registrations ( 20 M ) > > > 3.1 > > Title : IANA Registration for Enumservice Voice > > Author(s) : R. Brandner, et al. > > Filename : draft-brandner-enum-voice-00.txt > > Pages : 12 > > Date : 2005-7-7 > > > > This document registers the ENUMservice ^voice^ (which > has a defined > > sub-type ^tel^), as per the IANA registration process > defined in the > > ENUM specification RFC3761. This service indicates that > the contact > > held in the generated URI can be used to initiate an interactive > > voice (audio) call. > > > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brandner-enum-voice-00.txt > > 3.2 > Title : IANA Registration for an Enumservice > Containing Number Portability and PSTN > Signaling Information > Author(s) : J. Livingood, R. Shockey > Filename : draft-livingood-shockey-enum-npd-00.txt > Pages : 8 > Date : 2005-7-8 > > This document registers the Enumservice "npd" and subtype > "tel" using > the URI scheme 'tel:' as per the IANA registration > process defined in > the ENUM specification, RFC 3761. This data is used to facilitate > the routing of telephone calls in those countries where Number > Portability exists. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-livingood-shockey-en > um-npd-00.txt > > 3.3 > > > Title : IANA Registration for ENUMservice > Mobile Webpage > > Author(s) : J. Ra, et al. > > Filename : draft-ra-shin-enum-mobileweb-00.txt > > Pages : > > Date : 2005-7-7 > > > > This document registers the ENUMservice ^mobweb^ using the URI > > schemes 'http:' and 'https:' as per the IANA registration process > > defined in the ENUM specification RFC3761. > > > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ra-shin-enum-mobile > web-00.txt > > > > 4. ENUM Validation Issues. 3 Drafts 15 -20 > > 4.1 ENUM Validation Architecture > draft-mayrhofer-enum-validation-arch-00 > > Title : ENUM Validation Architecture > Author(s) : A. Mayrhofer, B. Hoeneisen > Filename : draft-mayrhofer-enum-validation-arch-00.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2005-7-11 > > An ENUM domain name is tightly coupled with the underlying E.164 > number. The process of verifying whether or not the > Registrant of an > ENUM domain name is identical to the Assignee of the corresponding > E.164 number is commonly called ^validation^. This document > describes validation requirements and a high level > architecture for > an ENUM validation infrastructure. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mayrhofer-enum-valid > ation-arch-00.txt > > > 4.2 "ENUM Validation Token Format Definition" - > draft-lendl-enum-validation-token-00.txt > > > Title : ENUM Validation Token Format Definition > Author(s) : O. Lendl > Filename : draft-lendl-enum-validation-token-00.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2005-7-11 > > An ENUM domain name is tightly coupled with the underlying E.164 > number. The process of verifying whether the Registrant > of an ENUM > domain name is identical to the Assignee of the > corresponding E.164 > number is commonly called ^validation^. This document > describes an > signed XML data format -- the Validation Token -- with which > Validation Entities can convey successful completion of a > validation > procedure in a secure fashion. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lendl-enum-validatio > n-token-00.txt > > > 4.3 Bernie Hoeneisen > > http://ietf.hoeneisen.ch/draft-ietf-enum-validation-epp-00.txt > http://ietf.hoeneisen.ch/draft-ietf-enum-validation-epp-00.html > > ################# > > 5. PART 2 1/2 hours. 3 Items > > The first order of business is to attempt to create some very > basic common > ground on what is the problem Carrier/Infrastructure/Private > ENUM is trying > to solve based on what we generally understand are the > orthogonal interests > of A. the E.164 number holder vs B. the carrier of record for > that number. > In addition try to place this problem statement in the over > all context of > converged carrier networks and the desire for interconnection > and peering. > > We are NOT going to solve the Carrier ENUM definition and > problem statement > in Paris but there needs to be some baseline before we can > generally review > the drafts at hand. > > Steve Lind has attempted to capture some of the ongoing > discussion. This > was not ready before the ID cut off but anyone coming to Paris is > encouraged to read and comment on this ID on the list. > > http://www.sdlind.com/draft-lind-infrastructure-enum-reqs-00.txt > > > ################# > > Discussion of Pfautz etal drafts on Carrier ENUM - Requirements ? > > > Title : IANA Carrier/User enumservice Registration > > Author(s) : P. Pfautz, et al. > > Filename : draft-pfautz-lind-enum-carrier-user-00.txt > > Pages : 10 > > Date : 2005-6-6 > > > >This document registers, pursuant to the guidelines in RFC 3761, > > tElephone NUmber Mapping (ENUM) services to allow a > single registry > > to support end user and carrier services with independent name > > servers holding the terminal NAPTR (Naming Authority > Pointer) records > > identifying the communication services for each. The to-be- > > registered enumservices make use of non-terminal NAPTR > records and > > DDDS (Dynamic Delegation Discovery System) replacement to achieve > > this end. > > > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pfautz-lind-enum-ca > rrier-user-00.txt > > "Combined User and Carrier ENUM in the e164.arpa tree" > > > Title : Combined User and Carrier ENUM in > the e164.arpa tree > Author(s) : M. Haberler, R. Stastny > Filename : draft-haberler-carrier-enum-00.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2005-7-11 > > ENUM as defined now in RFC3761 is not well suited for the > purpose of > interconnection by carriers, as can be seen by the use of various > private tree arrangements based on ENUM mechanisms. A > combined end- > user and carrier ENUM tree solution would leverage the ENUM > infrastructure in e164.arpa, increase resolution rates, > and decrease > the cost per registered telephone number. This document > describes a > minimally invasive scheme to provide both end-user and > carrier data > in ENUM. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haberler-carrier-enum-00.txt > > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >directories. > > > > > > Title : Non-Terminal NAPTR Processing: A > Modest Proposal > > Author(s) : L. Conroy > > Filename : draft-conroy-enum-modestproposal-00.txt > > Pages : 12 > > Date : 2005-7-6 > > > > Recent Discussions within the IETF and in other fora > have highlighted > > differences in interpretation of the set of standards > associated with > > ENUM and DDDS, on which it relies. Specifically, the > operation and > > semantics surrounding support for non-terminal NAPTRs > has led to some > > confusion. This document is an attempt to add > clarification to non- > > terminal NAPTR processing. In this, it clarifies RFC3403. A > > subsequent document will build on this one to extend > RFC3761 further, > > permitting registration of non-terminal Enumservices. > > > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-conroy-enum-modestp > roposal-00.txt > > > 6. Discussion of ENUM WG recharter ? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Richard Shockey, Director - Member of Technical Staff > NeuStar Inc. > 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 > sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org sip:57141@fwd.pulver.com > ENUM +87810-13313-31331 > PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, > Fax: +1 815.333.1237 > <mailto:richard(at)shockey.us> or > <mailto:richard.shockey(at)neustar.biz> > <http://www.neustar.biz> ; <http://www.enum.org> > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >
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