Re: When can we provide stable references to other standards bodies
Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> Thu, 29 September 2005 21:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: When can we provide stable references to other standards bodies
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On Sep 28, 2005, at 4:29 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > I hear you but not sure I buy it. We already provide non-changing > pointers > very early in the process. A draft name, draft-willis-sip- > answeralert-01, is > a non changing pointer. If a 3g spec references a tel URL draft, no > one can > finalize an implementation until the details of the TEL ABNF are > final. > draft-willis-sip-answeralert-0x hopefully will change to RFC XXXX eventually. Why should OMA have to re-issue some specification just because IETF administratively changed the name of the document? > If what they need is a placeholder for the RFC when it is > finalized, then > seems like the draft name should work. Feel free to whack me in the > head > here and tell me why a changing document reference by a 4 digit > number is > better than a draft name but it's not obvious to me. Whack! Whack! Whack! because they PROBABLY won't have to change RFC XXXX to RFC YYYY (only OCCASIONALLY will we kill an IESG approved document before publication or change it so dramatically that it immediately goes historical) but they ABSOLUTELY WILL HAVE TO change draft-fluffy- mondoidea-39 to RFC XXXX. -- Dean
- Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Black_David
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Scott Bradner
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Allison Mankin
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Allison Mankin
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval David B Harrington
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Steven M. Bellovin
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Paul Hoffman
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval James Carlson
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- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval David B Harrington
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Allison Mankin
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Bill Sommerfeld
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval john.loughney
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Allison Mankin
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Allison Mankin
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Geoff Huston
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Geoff Huston
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Black_David
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Allison Mankin
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Geoff Huston
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Acee Lindem
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Acee Lindem
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Ong, Lyndon
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Allison Mankin
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Martin Duerst
- Packages are good [Re: Allocating RFC numbers at … Brian E Carpenter
- AUTH48 (RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of app… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: AUTH48 (RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of… Paul Hoffman
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Dean Willis
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Dean Willis
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval James Carlson
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Ned Freed
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval James Carlson
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- Re: AUTH48 (RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of… Stewart Bryant
- RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval David B Harrington
- Re: AUTH48 (RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of… Fred Baker
- When can we provide stable references to other st… Cullen Jennings
- Re: Allocating RFC numbers at time of approval Cullen Jennings
- Re: AUTH48 (RE: Allocating RFC numbers at time of… Jari Arkko
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- Re: When can we provide stable references to othe… Dean Willis
- Re: When can we provide stable references to othe… Cullen Jennings
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- Re: When can we provide stable references to othe… Cullen Jennings
- Re: When can we provide stable references to othe… Dean Willis
- Re: When can we provide stable references to othe… Dean Willis
- Re: When can we provide stable references to othe… Cullen Jennings
- Re: When can we provide stable references to othe… Dean Willis
- RE: When can we provide stable references to othe… David B Harrington
- Re: When can we provide stable references to othe… Bill Fenner
- Re: When can we provide stable references to othe… Cullen Jennings
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