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Re: [Tools-discuss] Automatic Minutes for IETF 126

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Wed, 22 July 2026 07:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Automatic Minutes for IETF 126
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2026 at 9:36 PM Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> fwiw, the ones I've looked at are super good and very helpful, especially
> for meetings that happened while I was fast asleep. For example, I watched
> the video of ANIMA and then looked at the auto-minutes, and I could pretty
> much have skipped the video. Some of the speakers had quite strong accents
> and that didn't seem to be a problem.


That's good to hear. For those interested in doing similar tasks, the
pipeline I am currently looking is:

- Deepgram for STT using keyterms extracted from the meeting materials.
This provides diarization and timestamps but no speaker names.
- Gemini post-processing of the transcripts + with context from the meeting
materials to produce a speaker map and to correct the transcript
- Gemini to generate the minutes using the transcript and the context

-Ekr

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