Re: Update to chairs.ietf.org

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Thu, 19 May 2022 19:55 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Greg Wood <ghwood@staff.ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: Update to chairs.ietf.org
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Thanks, Greg

a) Bread crumps

In general i like to see old "to-be-decommissioned" content to be frozen to
some backup place, and the original URLs to provide an explanation like

  - This URL decommissioned
  - replacement <here> (aka: wgchairs.ietf.org)
  - If replacement is missing something from the original, please complain <here> (tools-discuss@ ?)
  - Frozen static version of old content: <here>

Then again, its at best 1 in 1000 web pages that are that friendly with their
users, so you would join a tiny minority if you would do this ;-) ( ;-()

b) Community based content

For the wiki, the question is whether/how there will be community way
to add/improve content of wgchairs.ietf.org. If not (e.g.: if its only
tols-team curated), then at least ask those folks that actively did
edit/help with the wgchairs wiki (i see immediately BarryL, AdrianF, AlissaC, JoeH,...)
what they would like to see going forward.

Personally i would very much like to see a community edit option, not
necessarily on all pages, but somehow. And for curated content ideally
on every page a "comments" section at the bottom (requiring datatracker
login of course) with maybe a "bug" flag to easily highlight actual bugs
in the text (yes, we have trac, but before you find whether someone else
has reported the same bug via trac, you're old...).

Cheers
    Toerless

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 03:24:05PM -0400, Greg Wood wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Following up on the conversations during the last WG chairs forum, content and links from www.ietf.org/chairs and the old wgchairs wiki [1] have been consolidated at:
> 
> https://chairs.ietf.org
> 
> The goal is to provide a central resource for current and accurate information for chairs and other IETF working group leaders. Therefore, to avoid duplication:
> 
> a) the plan is to unpublish the pages at www.ietf.org/chairs, and
> 
> b) the proposal is to decommission the old wiki [1]. 
> 
> The chair.ietf.org site is mirrored to a GitHub repository, so issues can be raised and edits to existing pages can be initiated via pull requests there:
> 
> https://github.com/ietf/chairs.ietf.org
> 
> Any and all feedback is welcome. There are a few pages (e.g. https://chairs.ietf.org/en/mailing-lists) that have notes where further information would be helpful.
> 
> Please let me know if I can provide any additional information.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Greg
> 
> [1] https://trac.ietf.org/trac/wgchairs/wiki
> 
> --
> Greg Wood
> IETF LLC
> +1-703-625-3917

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