Questions regarding slides on IESG work on WG slides

Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> Thu, 21 March 2024 01:21 UTC

Return-Path: <shares@ndzh.com>
X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D890C14F70F for <wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 18:21:27 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.562
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.347, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UV1SQkQ4MiwH for <wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 18:21:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from NAM12-MW2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-mw2nam12on2098.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.244.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1601C1D8762 for <wgchairs@ietf.org>; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 18:21:10 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=pass; b=XYr1ZaQf2D8ivF8Iz2+0oHzzCup7c0b/2MpPFFbML/Swqv53JxVAG7KtExQqXlWT95+kA2uJ3LHwErO80Ec8EXqigRVJXLsRCtuEqUxyqKIX2cFUU6+4bFpw9U/24v8biALP1rQ10iouM4/TuetBPGGfzfYxGyzagMLv0xHwpDm0FDQf3k0Ev+LLoL6AlcDafIFar5WaFOzTu3gqS3ZteLFdzuYQWYHr1jO8D3AzBsh9cJ1qeKG0ud06fe1gLYU9zI7NDUXVLFRTQT5bkrXgcjCRzaU0iCEdE+76Ahhn5oUY/KHBKRN6HCTW+LCiR3p5+XRtHgFoTkmmy4p1iVk99w==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=c03NS3hbQwGGBl2Qld/WwV7jVzfEwlrXR2EclMY/d7Q=; b=U9+dXXKa0ZDnSvO3+PIqXVycIlJdfv+L30Y563TIT7JjQtdVe2MxconQ/6VbQOLfyPao+Dw0qeRbxM2lAzVvV3ejck27RwncNTkI2hzSjHN2v6omu44ctJ7Woj8mzK/kC6nVITI8eu//zLFjPjyMft3jaM6yl7AHZJDMiVHkr1wtqVypsTpvw7Yd93UJNayGMaL4iXrPM1Ok4iJOyJsvBwAzLeOt2/pifSK/PfYE5liH0be7GSINu7aGGJC1u4j70dBZdKzOYbwFer3/ixeaojTfh++/4MXUxTdeGhPa/38snay8nGLpRA3Ma3DMHatsAvHGkSzVTYvnz2NFX44Iww==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass (sender ip is 104.47.70.101) smtp.rcpttodomain=ietf.org smtp.mailfrom=ndzh.com; dmarc=bestguesspass action=none header.from=ndzh.com; dkim=none (message not signed); arc=pass (0 oda=1 ltdi=1 spf=[1,1,smtp.mailfrom=ndzh.com] dkim=[1,1,header.d=ndzh.com] dmarc=[1,1,header.from=ndzh.com])
Received: from SJ0PR03CA0106.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:333::21) by SN4PR0801MB7886.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:806:1ee::6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.7386.34; Thu, 21 Mar 2024 01:21:08 +0000
Received: from SJ5PEPF000001D4.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:333:cafe::44) by SJ0PR03CA0106.outlook.office365.com (2603:10b6:a03:333::21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.7386.26 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 21 Mar 2024 01:21:07 +0000
X-MS-Exchange-Authentication-Results: spf=pass (sender IP is 104.47.70.101) smtp.mailfrom=ndzh.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=bestguesspass action=none header.from=ndzh.com;
Received-SPF: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of ndzh.com designates 104.47.70.101 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=104.47.70.101; helo=NAM10-BN7-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com; pr=C
Received: from obx-outbound.inkyphishfence.com (35.166.188.152) by SJ5PEPF000001D4.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.167.242.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.7409.10 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 21 Mar 2024 01:21:07 +0000
Received: from NAM10-BN7-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn7nam10lp2101.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.70.101]) by obx-inbound.inkyphishfence.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99EB1C37DB for <wgchairs@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Mar 2024 01:21:06 +0000 (UTC)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=etgX45h9WI80XCNKhEZsbxRERKyoIEoolEb0p4xk9gLoYNovw3h3RS5al+qE/nN5b60nzFNntkTaxOrimPIKfC4OwK9u7dNaWH5s3vMlVRZDaKR/fvVESvccqDZoY5Q1oABs+JY/sS8jbiMxFAuDMYOMwaIA41ZuXOlXpj9EUTGOdSQoXkN3qcyWtPwdEpWmEQK6IjVbvcnekLf/t50ngK0RQAryUIPy8dGl52tnIiIID50gPvkY2MJ8MTAkes6Y7MNngbdISmTu5kts0mRlzgO+Mi19KKeK70arpFc3eKikTNVhogl4WFXCs9nXemJ/tzH18TD2GfwJl9dsmvDOpw==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=c03NS3hbQwGGBl2Qld/WwV7jVzfEwlrXR2EclMY/d7Q=; b=TizYXDHzRJHcRr9N8TqUI2+sEf45sLN5EsA0DfvADBhi9sViLnnzNK3i1g8zjSBlxetbRqAc6f5sDQuTeQCDbSyc1BW3mHhV7c1OzABowmEjV/NJf3KqPLM29OwV/Je2u0bcreagzD7sYorC97mG3mguTro83uRcirbEi374M2ldIBo2fv8kDcL0oTrXZNFAoFgnqzyFutY3EkPKrisCQlUJQHgGkRtIaanpXv5buJMveNFDXEKauxKaq0e/TuHNORU1qpMzB9bc/eu9a6o1MsEtUcAII0HFyivJGunuH3qG0FKn4+Tibs41erjD0hOPTWYIXTBoUBf9R2FaMZLd1g==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ndzh.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=ndzh.com; dkim=pass header.d=ndzh.com; arc=none
Received: from DM6PR08MB4857.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:5:44::25) by LV3PR08MB8862.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:408:198::19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.7386.34; Thu, 21 Mar 2024 01:21:04 +0000
Received: from DM6PR08MB4857.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::1766:7272:5562:295e]) by DM6PR08MB4857.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::1766:7272:5562:295e%7]) with mapi id 15.20.7386.031; Thu, 21 Mar 2024 01:21:03 +0000
From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
To: Working Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Questions regarding slides on IESG work on WG slides
Thread-Topic: Questions regarding slides on IESG work on WG slides
Thread-Index: Adp7K3WXp3iF1fGXTQ+FRYvZ6/j8YQ==
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 01:21:03 +0000
Message-ID: <DM6PR08MB485770033F28B0C996C726D2B3322@DM6PR08MB4857.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Authentication-Results-Original: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=ndzh.com;
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DM6PR08MB4857:EE_|LV3PR08MB8862:EE_|SJ5PEPF000001D4:EE_|SN4PR0801MB7886:EE_
X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: fcf2c2ef-7e4a-4656-544e-08dc49452f6a
X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck: 1
X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-Relay: 0
X-Microsoft-Antispam-Untrusted: BCL:0;
X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info-Original: NHG0oRi2a4nZskwF9Pa5/q+XYskqmvtvNwEl/qzSKfLg4jHqtA4TO++p+ScZm3bpz6L1KLVK1DHmhHCBUZH2PaRrRM53iWy2cTZUChaJpONJVYF15dWZbgeCc6S9rrUUrjBSLcKe1J+rBYSa4erq2v9KjdPvqUB8RX354Ls1Ez8Gaj4sWmAJImBfYNvb8qTAMQ2cwvXBa7zyf3TBI+xuZwy82bNu/dwJ8KiXJk5f8Wreuz4ZF4ltNnpLaevnW3a+Mpv2u6JPWR+2CYN34n99X5tKGJAky/8eQ7M3doCcaGURxsaN9sjYPHfFGcWRg3lDBcJmNqXl6rop4xhRd9nHYXc+Ryd0YjHxbRuqnybjPHHybRkMFtbqiyiSsMhXkEvVYZP1unQehRxKWwuWw5kLZfk+9YrZD8dOPGvU2Rd3MOZjkyVLm/d0AokBHxFqZbpWPAKS3CjT5azE8mytUdaqQqmOfe8V7WbX/+sMHpZyIzar+1CBYWHDVWM+R/j8tLNgp0sxb/6Jh1XtdrK4WyLqIMGzRwVD4FwhbsBeQlSKIbyAPf3DgztEJE20uDADS+5yui8rE8XRMYrKsHL1fTmNiQQSlsEYWKuvf8Kwp68L8cK09xx11HdZbhMJRfM0colDA+bJU4TnFREscNJZYp0jLbTXmCQ/XlG1mF5JmRro6fVRLRgHL4rHPG1k2Q7vzxUjIXiwZHDuQS5+/bzGbcgUGQ==
X-Forefront-Antispam-Report-Untrusted: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:DM6PR08MB4857.namprd08.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230031)(376005)(366007)(1800799015)(38070700009); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM6PR08MB485770033F28B0C996C726D2B3322DM6PR08MB4857namp_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: LV3PR08MB8862
X-Inky-Outbound-Processed: True
X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0
X-MS-Exchange-SkipListedInternetSender: ip=[104.47.70.101]; domain=NAM10-BN7-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-ExternalOriginalInternetSender: ip=[104.47.70.101]; domain=NAM10-BN7-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStripped: SJ5PEPF000001D4.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email
X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id-Prvs: d8a32456-dae9-454e-0462-08dc49452d22
X-IPW-GroupMember: False
X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;
X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: 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
X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:35.166.188.152; CTRY:US; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:NAM10-BN7-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com; PTR:mail-bn7nam10lp2101.outbound.protection.outlook.com; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230031)(36860700004)(82310400014)(376005)(1800799015); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
X-OriginatorOrg: ndzh.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2024 01:21:07.6055 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: fcf2c2ef-7e4a-4656-544e-08dc49452f6a
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: d6c573f1-34ce-4e5a-8411-94cc752db3e5
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalAttributedTenantConnectingIp: TenantId=d6c573f1-34ce-4e5a-8411-94cc752db3e5; Ip=[35.166.188.152]; Helo=[obx-outbound.inkyphishfence.com]
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ5PEPF000001D4.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN4PR0801MB7886
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wgchairs/d2KXnXDBY9rBrZOv9AljC7Qj3xo>
X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Working Group Chairs <wgchairs.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/wgchairs>, <mailto:wgchairs-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/wgchairs/>
List-Post: <mailto:wgchairs@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:wgchairs-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wgchairs>, <mailto:wgchairs-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 01:21:27 -0000

Jay:

Thank you for the excellent presentations at the WG chairs meeting on Wed at IETF-119.

I have a few questions on the IESG Work on WG chairs slide


  1.  Needed skills for WG Chairs

Slide 8 of this presentation states: "Develop a list of required and desired skills for WG Chairs, including all significant tasks for WG operation and management."

Will this be shared with the WG chairs? Will this list have just general skills?  Or will this list also have some skills specific to specific areas?


  1.  How will the WG participants be queried for views on the WG chairs?

Slide 9 of this presentation states:

"At the individual WG Chair level, the IESG does not know key data, such as how WG participants rate them across a range of factors such as effectiveness and fairness, nor does it know how they rate themselves and their views on the support they need. ADs receive direct feedback where there is a problem, but better data would provide advance warning and reduce the need for rapid intervention."

What type of survey will the IESG use to ask the WG participants about WG Chairs?  Will the WG chairs get to review the survey before it is sent?


  1.  How does the planned Annual survey of each WG relate to the current IETF Community survey?


Slide 10 the following statement:  "Annual survey of each WG with questions about the chairs for an agreed range of factors. (This would replace the questions in the IETF Community covering the same things)"

What does this mean?  What questions on the IETF Community survey would this replace?

Thank you, Susan Hares