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Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org> Thu, 23 July 2026 06:02 UTC

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Subject: Mailing list AI checking tool
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Hi Chairs

I mentioned yesterday at the WG Chairs forum that I knocked together a tool that automates the testing of mailing list messages against the Pangram AI checker.  This is now available at:

	https://github.com/JayDaley/mailing-list-ai-check

In order to use it you need Pangram API credits (not an ordinary account) and those come in at $50 for 1000.  For those of you that don’t want to buy credits I will add an export/import, hopefully today, so that I can run an initial scan for you on a list that you manage and send you the data directly so that at least you get a flavour of the results.  I’ll also look to extend it to GPTzero, the main competitor to Pangram.

cheers
Jay

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