Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-notes-09#section-3.1.20
Heather Flanagan <rse@rfc-editor.org> Tue, 29 October 2019 18:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-notes-09#section-3.1.20
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> On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote: > > ...see also > <https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis/pull/107>, which > I believe is misguided. > > >> 3.1.20. In Section 2.46.2, "numbered" Attribute >> >> The text indicates that only top-level sections may have >> numbered="false", and that a section with numbered="false" may not >> have a child section with numbered="true". But that leaves no value >> that is valid for child sections of an unnumbered section: They >> cannot have numbered="false", since they are not top-level sections, >> and they cannot have numbered="true", since the parent has >> numbered="false". > > That is correct, but very easy to fix by saying that numbering is > inherited from the parent section. > >> Additionally, the prohibition against child sections having >> numbered="false" removes the option of truncating the ToC listing for >> some child sections; without providing a good explanation for this >> limitation, it seems arbitrary and counter-intuitive to disallow this >> feature. > > That doesn't make any sense - the presence in the ToC does not depend on > numbering at all. To control the ToC, we already have > <https://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc7991.html#element.section.attribute.toc>. > >> Proposal: Permit sections which are not top-level sections to have >> numbered="false". >> >> Implementation: In The current version of xml2rfc, child sections >> may have numbered="false". > > Limiting this to top-level sections was very intentional; the reasons > given above are IMHO not sufficient at all for this change. > > Heather, by any means, please undo this change for now. > > I don’t think having numbered child sections in an otherwise unnumbered section (especially if they are inheriting a phantom number from the unnumbered section” is a good idea at all. Do you have better language that I can use to state that is prohibited? -Heather >
- [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-l… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra… Heather Flanagan
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra… Heather Flanagan
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra… Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra… Julian Reschke
- [xml2rfc-dev] v3 <seriesInfo> vs IMPNOTES vs cano… Julian Reschke
- [xml2rfc-dev] XML evolution (Re: v3 <seriesInfo> … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] v3 <seriesInfo> vs IMPNOTES vs … Heather Flanagan
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] v3 <seriesInfo> vs IMPNOT… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] v3 <seriesInfo> vs IMPNOT… John R Levine
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] v3 <seriesInfo> vs IMPNOTES vs … Julian Reschke
- Re: [xml2rfc-dev] XML evolution (Re: v3 <seriesIn… Julian Reschke