Re: [xml2rfc-dev] V3 breakage in formatting internet draft references

[Julian Reschke <[e-mail]>]

On 02.10.2019 05:45, Julian Reschke wrote:
> On 01.10.2019 23:19, Heather Flanagan wrote:
>> ...
>>>> "<t>The author's name (initial followed by family name) appears on the
>>>> first line of the heading.  Some variation, such as additional
>>>> initials or capitalization of family name, is acceptable.  Once the
>>>> author has selected how their name should appear, they should use
>>>> that display consistently in all of their documents.</t>"
>>>
>>> That's about the front page, not for references.
>>
>> Iirc, we’ve always tried to be consistent between what’s on the front
>> page and what’s in the references.
>> ...
>
> Well, but we are not consistent right now.
>
>>> For the latter, the draft style guide says in
>>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-flanagan-7322bis-03#section-4.8.6.4>:
>>>
>>>>   [SYMBOLIC-TAG]  Last name, First initial., Ed. (if applicable) and
>>>>   First initial.  Last name, Ed. (if applicable), "I-D Title", Internet
>>>>   Draft, draft-string-NN, Month Year.
>>>
>>> Note: "first initial”.
>>
>> “Second initial if provided” is a really ugly example, but I can add it
>> if you think it’s critical.
>
> That would still be inconsistent with the front page, no?
>
>> ...
>>>>> 4) A URI ontools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org/>is inserted that
>>>>> I'd prefer not to have here.
>>>>
>>>> Why not? I think having a URI makes a lot of sense.
>>>
>>> The style guide doesn't say so. The author didn't provide one. Why is
>>> the tool inserting something automatically? Also, why totools.ietf.org
>>> <http://tools.ietf.org/>?
>>> Are you planning to put that into the style guide?
>>
>> Well, there are always things the authors don’t provide that are
>> automatically added. And since we’ve been talking about making sure that
>> internal links to specific sections are included (which perforce MUST go
>> to tools references) the thought was to be consistent and have the
>> reference point to the same place that the internal section pointers are
>> going to send people. I think it would be confusing to have one set of
>> links go one place, and another set of links to somewhere entirely
>> different.
>
> Well.
>
> Right now the tools target is only inserted when none is specified, so
> this is not in line what you're arguing for.
>
> Also, for RFCs the target uses https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfcNNNN,
> which also is not the URI used for the section links.
>
> Best regards, Julian
> ...

FWIW, tracked at
<https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/436>. Would be
awesome to make some progress here.

Best regards, Julian