Re: [xml2rfc] [rfc-i] will <vspace=n> disappear
Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Thu, 23 October 2014 20:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [rfc-i] will <vspace=n> disappear
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On 2014-10-23 22:38, Nico Williams wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote: >> On 2014-10-16 19:01, Sean Leonard wrote: >>> +1!!! > >> Again: use case? > > The use cases were given, but they aren't use cases for "vertical > blank space". They are use cases for other things: > > - multi-paragraph list items (I forget if in v3 the schema supports > this properly) It does. > (lyx2rfc and kramdown-rfc2629 use vspace for this.) > > - weak control over where page breaks are placed > > The former should be a first-class feature of the v3 schema. It is. > The latter is only necessary for paginated formats, but it comes in > real handy for those. I agree with Brian C. about this, we need some > elements for hinting about what text is too precious to split, and > what text isn't, then the paginator can probably do the Right Thing. The question is whether the vocabulary has sufficient information, or whether we need more. The one use case I've seen is grouping table rows; anything else? Best regards, Julian
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