Re: [xml2rfc] Links to rfc7991bis.rnc may need some fixing

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Thu, 03 March 2022 11:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Links to rfc7991bis.rnc may need some fixing
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Am 03.03.2022 um 10:38 schrieb Jay Daley:
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>> On 3/03/2022, at 8:57 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
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>>>> The grammar unfortunately does not express the distinction between (1) v3 features that are there for v2 compatibility and will be converted by v2v3, and (2) v3 features that are here to stay and can be published.
>>>
>>> The grammar is never going to do that, it’s only a grammar.  Deprecation is human attribute and so expressed in the documentation
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>> Relax-NG has the concept of annotations.
>> I don’t know if there is a conventional way to use this like .feature in Section 4 of RFC 9165, but the basic infrastructure is there.
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>> A grammar without such a mechanism is less helpful in protocol evolution, which is what we are talking about right now.
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> I’ve learnt something new - thank you.  My XML editor appears have multiple ways of displaying annotations to provide grammar assistance.

Those maybe?


<https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis/blob/a15c9b47ac259d5da6e4b7baaa3f3061ba11e95b/xml2rfcv3-annotated.rng#L24>

:-)