Re: [xrblock] WGLC - draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-summary-stat-03

Glen Zorn <> Fri, 14 December 2012 08:48 UTC

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On 12/14/2012 01:20 PM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:
> Just mention the references, as  done in most places.

"[RFC3611]" is a "reference" and as such has no intrinsic meaning 
whatsoever: it could just as well be "*****" or  "[1]" or 
"[chickensoup]".  Its sole purpose is to point to a "citation", in this case

               Friedman, T., Caceres, R., and A. Clark, "RTP Control
               Protocol Extended Reports (RTCP XR)", RFC 3611,
               November 2003.

You would prefer, apparently, that the draft read:

    This draft defines three new block types to augment those defined in
    [RFC3611] for use in a range of RTP applications.

This construct uses the arbitrary string "[RFC3611]" as a noun and 
states that something (block types) are defined in that arbitrary 
string, which is obviously nonsense.  Note that neither the "reference" 
nor the "citation" define any block types: only the actual document does 
that.  An example from C programming:

int i, j;
int *p;
int **pp;

i = 3;

Saying "This draft defines three new block types to augment those 
defined in [RFC3611]" is the equivalent of claiming that pp is equal to 3.