Re: [xrblock] Poll for progressing the QoE

Shida Schubert <shida@ntt-at.com> Thu, 02 February 2012 00:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [xrblock] Poll for progressing the QoE
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 Thank you all for your feedbacks. 

 I think I heard unanimous opinions about adopting 
the draft as is. 

 I will get the author to submit the next version as a 
WG draft. 
 
 Many Thanks and Regards
  Shida (as co-chair)

On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:47 AM, <Roland.Schott@telekom.de> <Roland.Schott@telekom.de> wrote:

> Dear all,
>  
> in my opinion one should start with the draft as it is.
> The different report types fit into the monitoring architecture
> and it makes sense to have them within one year.
> I think the other two media types are complementary to the first one.
> Since one do not want to combine them it makes sense to have them in
> one standard making this standard more complete.
>  
> A split into different drafts is in the end more effort.
>  
> Best Regards
> Roland Schott
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> Von: xrblock-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:xrblock-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von zhaojing@sttri.com.cn
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 02:24
> An: Shida Schubert; xrblock
> Betreff: Re: [xrblock] Poll for progressing the QoE
> 
> I have no strong opinion on which way to follow.
> But I can see the 1st segment type can be widely supported
> by various applications and used. The other two are complementary
> to the first one. Especially the multi-channel audio segment type,
> wouldn't VOIP implementer like to see this be standardized as being
> measurement tool for stereo audio application?
> Cheers!
> JingZhao
> ------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shida Schubert" <shida@ntt-at.com>
> To: "xrblock" <xrblock@ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [xrblock] Poll for progressing the QoE
> >
> > All;
> >
> > I need to see what WG thinks on the matter below for
> > us to progress the QoE milestone.
> >
> > If you have no opinions on the matter, please indicate
> > it as well.
> >
> > Many Thanks
> >  Shida
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Shida Schubert wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> All;
> >>
> >> Although a poll for draft-wu-xrblock-rtcp-xr-quality-monitoring ended in
> >> favor of adopting the draft, the comments provided by Colin are worth
> >> noting as we move forward.
> >>
> >> I do have some questions which I think will help us clarify
> >> the way forward.
> >>
> >> A. There are three segment types defined (1. each media
> >>   sent in separate RTP stream, 2. Layered video session,
> >>   3. Multi-channel audio) in the draft,  do we see a need for
> >>   all three right now or in near  future (say next 12 months) ?
> >>
> >> B. OR are we happy with only covering one for now (Likely
> >>   the 1. as I understand people are most interested in the 1.)
> >>   and create a draft when there is a real need for 2. and 3.?
> >>
> >> C. If answer is yes to question A., do we want to see the
> >>   draft split into three as Colin proposed or have them all
> >>   defined in single draft as it currently is.
> >>
> >> I asked the AD if we can split the drafts into 3 drafts under
> >> single milestone but I want to make sure we do that after
> >> we agree as a WG that we need all three segment types
> >> RIGHT NOW before we do so.
> >>
> >> We have a lot of new items that people are interested in
> >> working on that are not covered in our milestones, so I
> >> want to make sure we focus on items that are "MUST
> >> have" rather than "MAY need it in future" or "NICE to have".
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Shida
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