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Re: [yam] AD DISCUSS about Section 8 of draft-ietf-yam-rfc4409bis-02 - Message Modifications

Pete Resnick <presnick@qualcomm.com> Tue, 23 August 2011 00:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [yam] AD DISCUSS about Section 8 of draft-ietf-yam-rfc4409bis-02 - Message Modifications
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On 8/22/11 6:52 PM, Ned Freed wrote:

> ...a substantial change to implementation requirements - which this 
> absolutely is - is *highly* inappropriate when moving to full standard.

Yup. That's why I pushed back against Russ on this, and why he agreed 
with me that removal is a reasonable alternative.

> I think pointing out the possibility of client signatures is important 
> and the text should be retained, but without the compliance language. 
> I think deleting it weakens the document and therefore I object to its 
> total removal. That said, I can live with it going if not removing it 
> will prevent the move to full standard.

So, I hadn't considered the possibility of simply weakening the current 
language so it's strictly explanatory and had no 2119 language. I have 
to agree with Russ that the current text is hand-wavy and with Ned that 
more explanations are context-specific, but I'm less sanguine than Ned 
that simply removing the 2119 language from what's currently there would 
make the text terribly useful without additional context-specific 
explanations. However, if there is a general feeling that including such 
text is a better choice than removing this entirely, I'd say come up 
with some text and bring Russ into the conversation. Speaking for 
myself, I think it's just as well to remove it.

pr

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