[123attendees] Re: [EXT] Re: wiki updated

[Javier Achirica <[e-mail]>]

Tourist cards can be bought at the airport:

https://www.crtm.es/billetes-y-tarifas/otras-tarjetas/turistica.aspx?lang=en

Or a "multi" can be bought in the ticket machines and loaded with a tourist
pass:

https://www.crtm.es/billetes-y-tarifas/tarjeta-multi/como-obtenerla/?lang=en

Just be aware that some discounts that depend on personal status (i.e.
disabilities, seniors, ...) cannot be obtained that way.


On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 at 17:59, Ted Lemon <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Jordi, I googled for Madrid tourist card and that site lists a tourist
> metro card that can be purchased at vending machines. So having one mailed
> to you seems unnecessary.
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2025, at 5:15 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hi Uri,
>
> This is the direct link:
>
> Gestión de la Tarjeta Transporte Público
> <https://webttp.comunidad.madrid/CRTM-ABONOS/entrada.aspx?s=individual>
> webttp.comunidad.madrid
> <https://webttp.comunidad.madrid/CRTM-ABONOS/entrada.aspx?s=individual>
> [image: LineConsorcio.png]
> <https://webttp.comunidad.madrid/CRTM-ABONOS/entrada.aspx?s=individual>
>
>
> However, I’m not convinced they will post outside Spain. That’s why I
> suggested to use the hotel address (and you should add your hotel
> reservation number), so your 1st ride will be extra.
>
> In some places they say 1 week delivery, in others 15 days, so not really
> sure, but I know it usually takes less than a week, even I will not
> recommend risking.
>
> Madrid, including the venue is zone A.
>
> The airport is a special zone, that’s why it has a small additional cost.
>
> Madrid terminal 4 and 4S are the same “set” of buildings. 4S has an
> “internal" train to interconnect both buildings. You go to the street or
> public transport once you collect your bags in terminal 4 then exit and go
> down 1 level for the metro line 8. It is very straightforward, no possible
> confusion here.
>
> The PPTC is valid for any public transport within the zone that you
> acquire. This is very easy to see here:
>
> [image: logo-consorcio-rgb-positivo.png]
> Consorcio Regional de Transportes de Madrid - CRTM Inicio
> <https://www.crtm.es/billetes-y-tarifas/zonas-tarifarias/?zona=A&lang=en>
> crtm.es
> <https://www.crtm.es/billetes-y-tarifas/zonas-tarifarias/?zona=A&lang=en>
>
>
> So if you will not go to other cities, you get coverage for Metro, Bus,
> in-city railway and “light rail”.
>
> For El Prado, you can use Banco de España, Estación del Arte o Retiro if
> you change lines. However, if you don’t mind to walk a bit extra to use a
> single line, you can walk up to metro Tetuán from the venue (10m), then
> line 1 up to Antón Martín or Estación del Arte, and here you walk 8m.
>
> Alternatively you can use bus number 27 almost straight (2m walk) to the
> big av. Castellana up to “Neptuno” and then walk 2m.
>
> I double checked if google maps can “see” these options and yes, it works.
>
> Here is the Museum information:
>
> Getting here - Museo Nacional del Prado
> <https://www.museodelprado.es/en/visit/getting-here>
> museodelprado.es <https://www.museodelprado.es/en/visit/getting-here>
> [image: apple-touch-icon-precomposed.png]
> <https://www.museodelprado.es/en/visit/getting-here>
>
>
> Note that if you plan to go just a couple of hours, the access is free 2
> hours before closing and 50% for temporary exhibitions.
>
> Opening times and prices - Museo Nacional del Prado
> <https://www.museodelprado.es/en/visit/opening-times-and-prices>
> museodelprado.es
> <https://www.museodelprado.es/en/visit/opening-times-and-prices>
> [image: apple-touch-icon-precomposed.png]
> <https://www.museodelprado.es/en/visit/opening-times-and-prices>
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 4 jul 2025, a las 16:36, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL <[e-mail]>
> escribió:
>
> Jordi,
>
> Thank you. Could you also (re-)post here the URL for acquiring Personal
> Public Transportation Card (PPTC) online?  I tried the one from the Metro
> web site, and my browser kicked me out, complaining that its cert is bad.
>
> Also, if I’m in America - is it realistic to hope to receive it via mail
> before the IETF? Or just have it mailed to the hotel I’ll be staying, and
> don’t expect to cover from-the-airport ride by it?
>
> And if you happen to know:
> - both MAD airport and IETF venue are in Zone A?
> - MAD Terminal 4S has Metro station (Line 8, I’d hope?)?
> - PPTC applies to buses as well, or only to metro? And are bus rides
> included in the discount (or only metro)?
> - what metro/station is closest to the Prado museum?
>
> Thank you!
> —
> Regards,
> Uri
>
> Secure Resilient Systems and Technologies
> MIT Lincoln Laboratory
>
> On Jul 4, 2025, at 10:17, jordi.palet=[e-mail]
> wrote:
>
> 
> This Message Is From an External Sender
> This message came from outside the Laboratory.
>
> Hi Uri,
>
> I was referring to the 10 trip tickets or 30 days, as indicated here:
>
> Fares
> <https://www.metromadrid.es/en/viaja-en-metro/titulos-y-tarifas/tarifas>
> metromadrid.es
> <https://www.metromadrid.es/en/viaja-en-metro/titulos-y-tarifas/tarifas>
> <https://www.metromadrid.es/en/viaja-en-metro/titulos-y-tarifas/tarifas>
>
>
> *In accordance with Royal Decree-Law 1/2025 of 28 January, from July 1 to
> December 31, inclusive, continues to apply a reduction (*) of 40% on
> 10-trip tickets, 30-day travel pass for users aged 26 to 64 and Blue Card,
> is also established that it is free for users between 7 and 14 years old. *
>
> *Single tickets and Tourist tickets are excluded from this measure.*
>
> And also:
>
> (*) *From 1 January 2023*, people aged 65 and over who have a Public
> Transport Card (TTP) will be able to use a *free* ticket to travel
> throughout the region.
>
> In order to benefit from the free fare, you must have a personal Public
> Transport Card on which you can top up this new fare option that will give
> you access to our entire public transport network. There is no need to
> purchase a different card.
>
> It is topped up the same way as other transport tickets. The application,
> device or vending machine, upon identifying that your card corresponds to a
> person aged 65 and over, will offer this ticket free of charge, at no cost,
> and with a duration of 365 days from the date of the top-up.
>
> *From 1 January 2023, the 30-day and annual (calendar year) for +65
> tickets will disappear, although it will still be possible to use the
> topped up +65 30-day ticket, until it is used up.*
>
>
> Note that to simplify I’m collating info from different places.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 4 jul 2025, a las 13:53, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL <[e-mail]>
> escribió:
>
> One correction: the info on the metromadrid.es says that fares would be
> free for children up to 4 years old (some - for between 7 and 14 years
> old), and for persons with *disabilities of 65%* or more. *Nowhere* does
> it say that rides would be free for people *65 years old*. If I missed
> that - please point me at the specific page that said so.
>
> Thanks
> —
> Regards,
> Uri
>
> Secure Resilient Systems and Technologies
> MIT Lincoln Laboratory
>
> On Jul 4, 2025, at 02:56, jordi.palet=[e-mail]
> wrote:
>
> 
> This Message Is From an External Sender
> This message came from outside the Laboratory.
>
> I think the point is if you want to avoid “transfers” even if it looks
> will take a bit longer.
>
> Metro may look like a bit longer route, but you avoid wasting time and
> effort moving your bags for the transfer. Also metro is much more frequent
> than train.
>
> I think you also need to consider if you will be using the public
> transport during those 10 days, and how many trips you plan, because then
> you can buy either 10 trips tickets, 1 week tourist unlimited or even 30
> days. Note that there are 40% discounts, free up to 14 years and over 65,
> special low price for 15-25.
>
> In the airport there is an information desk that can help to clarify the
> best choice.
>
> <logo-consorcio-rgb-positivo.png>
>
> Consorcio Regional de Transportes de Madrid - CRTM Inicio
> <https://www.crtm.es/billetes-y-tarifas/otras-tarjetas/turistica/?lang=en>
> crtm.es
> <https://www.crtm.es/billetes-y-tarifas/otras-tarjetas/turistica/?lang=en>
>
> You have all explained here:
>
> Fares
> <https://www.metromadrid.es/en/viaja-en-metro/titulos-y-tarifas/tarifas>
> metromadrid.es
> <https://www.metromadrid.es/en/viaja-en-metro/titulos-y-tarifas/tarifas>
> <https://www.metromadrid.es/en/viaja-en-metro/titulos-y-tarifas/tarifas>
>
> Note that for the free rates, you need to have a “personal” card (4
> euros). This can be requested in advance on-line, but you need a delivery
> address and it may take a week. You could also arrange an appointment to
> get it once you’re in Madrid. I think it make sense only if you are going
> to save a lot of money because you are planing to stay in Madrid for
> vacations, or commute a lot, etc.
>
> <logo-consorcio-rgb-positivo.png>
>
> Consorcio Regional de Transportes de Madrid - CRTM Inicio
> <https://www.crtm.es/billetes-y-tarifas/tarjeta-transporte-publico>
> crtm.es
> <https://www.crtm.es/billetes-y-tarifas/tarjeta-transporte-publico>
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 4 jul 2025, a las 4:08, Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>
> escribió:
>
>
> I'm unclear if the metro or the Cercanias train is simpler.  You write
> metro
> is faster.   It seems if I have to transfer to the metro anyway... I might
> as
> well use it.
>
> But I wanted to confirm this:
>
> Cercanias train tickets are about 2.60€ for a one-way trip and 5.20€ for a
> return one and can be purchased by the station’s automatic vendors. When
> buying a ticket, you must use it during the next 2 hours, **while the
> return
> ticket is valid until next day**. Expect about 45 minutes of travel time
> including transfers.
>
>
> So, don't buy a return ticket since I'm in Madrid for ~10 days.
> Just buy another ticket when I leave.
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
>           Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
>
>
>
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