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Yes, that's the point, and Madrid can’t be compared with the south of Spain, where you really exceed 42C.

This is the real data (official one, not any random website), in the center of Madrid, which is probably 1-2C higher than the venue area:


https://www.aemet.es/es/serviciosclimaticos/vigilancia_clima/analisis_estacional?w=4&l=3195&datos=temp
Análisis estacional: Madrid, Retiro - Verano 2025 - Temperatura - Agencia Estatal de Meteorología - AEMET. Gobierno de España
aemet.es

You can see that the graphic shows maximum (red) and minimum temperatures (blue).

I will be happy to take all the complains if we have >40C all the time during our meeting! Our agenda shows that during the central hours, peak temperature, we should be in the hotel working, right?

Also, the hotel has diesel generators to survive the breakout and the national electric grid operator already took measures to balance more “stable” energy sources (the ones that set a fix Hz and V), even if that means that we are paying a bit more for electricity.

Regards,
Jordi

@jordipalet


> El 2 jul 2025, a las 16:07, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL <[e-mail]> escribió:
> 
> Aren’t we making a bigger deal out of (and spending more time on) this than it deserves?
> 
> There are millions of people who live in those places (Madrid, Philadelphia, etc.), who aren’t perfectly healthy - and somehow they manage to survive, do their daily work, and so on. 
> Nobody (that I know of) likes when it crosses 40C, but people survive. 
> 
> I’d be more worried about the possibility of another blackout. 
> —
> Regards,
> Uri
> 
> Secure Resilient Systems and Technologies
> MIT Lincoln Laboratory
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2025, at 09:47, Michael De Roover <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>> 
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>> > On 2 Jul 2025, at 13:48, Tim Chown <Tim.Chown=[e-mail] <mailto:Tim.Chown=[e-mail]>> wrote:
>> > > Does the meeting selection doc say anything about typical temperatures in
>> > > the candidate city for selection?  If not, it probably should.> 
>> > What could it say?
>> > 
>> > What is a "typical temperature"?
>> > 
>> > If the idea is to avoid discomfort, whose comfort defines the acceptable
>> > thresholds and how should those thresholds be measured or predicted?
>> 
>> > That’s of course a fair and tricky question.
>> > 
>> > Recent July venues, average and record temps:
>> > 
>> > Madrid: 34’C, record 42’C
>> > Vancouver: 24’C, record 37’C
>> > San Francisco: 27’C, record 30’C
>> > Philadelphia: 31’C, record 40’C
>> > Montreal: 27’C, record 36’C
>> > Prague: 26’C, record 37’C
>> > 
>> > Somewhere that averages over 30’C and has a record over 40’C would be one
>> > potential exclusion heuristic.
>> > 
>> > Of course, the ‘funny’ thing is meeting rooms tend to be super chilly.
>> 
>> I like the idea of addressing this by the 40C threshold, seems like this has some grounding in medical literature too. From a cursory search, I found the article below.
>> 
>> https://neurolaunch.com/brain-overheating-symptoms/
>> 
>> The condition I experienced on that walk too, is apparently called hyperthermia. The brain seems extremely sensitive to it, with disorientation being one of its more mild symptoms, after which, fortunately, we went immediately to shade. But until now I didn't know about this condition. So to give the 40C mark further grounding, it might not be a bad thing to use.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>> Michael De Roover
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