Re: [6tisch] information model or data model in the new charter

Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net> Wed, 27 January 2016 19:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [6tisch] information model or data model in the new charter
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Hi Pascal,

On 1/27/16 2:38 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> Hello Brian and Qin:
> 
> We discussed that at the time of the first charter, using RFC 3444 as
> our reference; it is my understanding that we aimed the 6top
> interface document
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-6top-interface at
> providing a Yang Data model to manage the 6top layer in a device. It
> is my understanding that some form of information model in natural
> language would be present in the 6top draft, but my reading of the
> 6top interface is that there is some degree of information model
> there too, that explains the data model. If so, is that a problem?

I don't think the problem is in a *document*. Benoit is questioning the
wording of the proposed charter.  I would suggest reviewing his comments
in light of the current wording of the new charter text.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-6tisch/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-6tisch/ballot/#benoit-claise

Regards,
Brian

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Pascal
> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: 6tisch
>> [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Haberman Sent:
>> lundi 25 janvier 2016 14:11 To: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: Re:
>> [6tisch] information model or data model in the new charter
>> 
>> Hi Qin,
>> 
>> On 1/22/16 3:30 PM, Qin Wang wrote:
>>> Dear all, In today's Webex meeting, we were talking about the
>>> feedback from Bonoit about the new Charter, see [6tisch] Benoit
>>> Claise's No Objection on charter-ietf-6tisch-01-00: (with
>>> COMMENT), and want to continue the discussion in the ML. The
>>> question is what is exactly we want to do with Yang model, and
>>> how to make the paragraph about Yang model in the new Charter
>>> more accurate. Any comments and suggestion is welcome. ThanksQin
>>> 
>> 
>> This issue needs to get resolved before I will release the charter
>> for external review. Benoit's point illustrated an issue in the
>> charter where it is not clear as to whether the WG is interested in
>> an information model or a data model.
>> 
>> Regards, Brian