Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmission algorithm in IEEE 802.15.4-2015
Fabrice Théoleyre <theoleyre@unistra.fr> Thu, 14 June 2018 14:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmission algorithm in IEEE 802.15.4-2015
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Hello Yatch, > [1] What does it mean exactly by "the backoff window"? > > There is no "backoff window" found in Figure 6-6 nor in the latter > part of Section 6.2.5.3... > > I think that "the backoff window"indicates BE (Backoff Exponent), but > it's unclear… the backoff window is selected randomly between 0 and 2^BE-1. > [2] Should we reset BE every time retransmission process starts? > > Two conditions to reset the backoff window (BE?) are mentioned in page-64: > > - "A successful transmission in a shared link resets the backoff window > to the minimum value." If it corresponds to a retransmission, this means that the previous transmission has failed. So, this case does not correspond here. > - "The backoff window is reset to the minimum value if the > transmission in a dedicated link is successful and the transmit > queue is then empty." dedicated links > no collision / no backoff. You transmit it without delay (NB: you may have the first transmission during a shared link, and its retransmission in a dedicated one) > In page-65, I see another condition if the backoff windows and BE are > the same thing: > > - "A device upon encountering a transmission failure in a shared link > shall initialize the BE to macMinBe." According to figure 6.6, yes with TSCH: the packet has been dropped, it corresponds to a novel packet, and it enters in the condition "PCA=Y" after the first transmission > It seems the former conditions and the latter condition conflict each > other. they don’t actually correspond to the same thing. You must make a distinction between shared and dedicated links, and you may use a succession of shared and dedicated links for the same packet (i.e. its different retransmissions) > I'm not sure, after all the retransmissions for the last frame in > shared links failed, the next retransmission process should reset BE or > not. What about the case when the transmission for the last frame in a > dedicated link was successful but the transmission queue was NOT > empty? If I understand correctly the standard, in that case, the dedicated link should not impact the BE value: the next packet will be picked in the queue, and transmitted with the same BE value as previously. Probably to combat unfairness: a transmitter with dedicated links would else succeed to transmit packets in its dedicated links => it would reset more frequently its BE => more bandwidth than the nodes without dedicated links. > [3] Errors in Figure 6-6 > > I don't think Figure 6-6 is correct... > > - In the frist transmission attempt (the right-most branch): > > o Boxes of "transmit frame" and "transmission acknowledged?" are > missing after "N" to "TschCca=On?" > o It says transmission fails when NB exceeds macMaxFrameRetries; but > I think, it would enter the retransmission process instead of > "Failure". Which is correct? This part seems strange. It seems mixing the case "first transmission" and "no ack required". First transmission -> no backoff (the current description is correct) no ack -> the first transmission is considered successful (the transmitter cannot have any feedback). Thus: => the box "transmission acknowledged?" is missing => the arrow after "NB > ** ?" should point to "retransmission?" instead of "Wait for the next TX link" > - In the retransmission process without PCA (the middle branch): > > o "NB" is not initialized; should "NB=0" be there along with > "BE=macMinBe"? no, this is a retransmission so, NB cannot be equal to 0 (to my mind) "NB is the number of times the CSMA-CA algorithm was required to back off while attempting the current transmission" > o BE should be updated by "BE=min(BE+1, macMaxBe)" instead of > "BE=min(BE-1,macMinBe)", shouldn't it? +1 I have also the same doubts as you for the figure 6.6…. Best regards, Fabrice
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmission… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Thomas Watteyne
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Thomas Watteyne
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Thomas Watteyne
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Fabrice Théoleyre
- [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmission… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [6tisch] Questions on TSCH CSMA-CA retransmis… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- [6tisch] frame pending bit - Re: Questions on TSC… Yasuyuki Tanaka
- [6tisch] frame pending bit - Re: Questions on TSC… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [6tisch] frame pending bit - Re: Questions on… Yasuyuki Tanaka