[6tsch] minutes WebEx 8 March 2013
Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu> Fri, 08 March 2013 17:40 UTC
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All, Notes of today's meeting below. Please correct inline and reply. Thomas --- *** Timestamps in PST. *** Present: - Herman Storey - Maria Rita Palattella - Norman Finn - Pascal Thubert - Qin Wang - Shitanshu Shah - Thomas Watteyne - Tina Tsou - Tom Phinney - Xavi Vilajosana Agenda: - Introduction to the terminology draft [10min] [Maria Rita] - Diffserv Recommendations for LLN class of traffic [5min] [Shitanshu] - http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-svshah-tsvwg-lln-diffserv-recommendations/ - Agenda for new week meetings [10min] [Pascal] - Changes in other drafts [10min] - draft-watteyne-6tsch-tsch-lln-context [Thomas] - draft-wang-6tsch-6tus [Qin] - draft-thubert-6tsch-architecture [Pascal] - Mailing list discussions [30min] - DSCPs and priorities [Thomas] - imux/mux [Qin] Minutes: - [08.04] meeting starts - [08.05] Introduction to the new terminology draft [Maria Rita] - [Pascal] This draft extends ROLL and autoconf terminology, which are included as references. - [Maria Rita] Presents slides. - [Maria Rita] draft was triggered by the fact that "link" and "path" have different meaning in TSCH and IETF parlance. - [Maria Rita] "Cell": Single element in the TSCH schedule. Replaces "link" term in TSCH. - [Maria Rita] "Bundle": A group of equivalent scheduled cells. Replaces (although not exactly) "path" term in TSCH. - [Maria Rita] Draft there to avoid confusion, we will include other terms as work progresses. - [Maria Rita] Draft will be published on Monday. - [08.14] Diffserv Recommendations for LLN class of traffic [Shitanshu] - draft at http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-svshah-tsvwg-lln-diffserv-recommendations/ - Shitanshu presents slides. - Context: this draft was presented at the last IETF meeting in Atlanta. - Goal: using Diffserv in context of LLN - Motivation: RFC4594 is well documented recommendation for traditional classes of traffic. Yet, does not cover LLN. What this draft does it: - categorize LLN - lists explicit recommendations for LLN - always keeping RFC4594 as a reference - source points to mark appropriate DSCP code point - LLN Traffic Classes identified from ROLL requirement drafts - 6 categories: alerts/alarms, control signals, deterministic control signals, Video Monitoring/feed, Query-based data, Periodic Reporting/log & software downloads. - each class characterized in terms of loss, delay and jitter. Some classes are different from RFC4594, justifying the need for this new draft. Example: deterministic control signals. - [Tom] Alerts/Alarms traffic are bursty because multiple network elements can signal the same physical events (e.g. explosion). - [Herman] You don't want to loose any alert/alarm packets - [Shitanshu] Agreed, will update draft. - [Herman] Is there a class for network management? - [Pascal] In some cases, network control needs to be the highest priority since network falls apart when no network control packets can be transmitted. - [Pascal] DSCP will play key role in packet priority. There is no DSCP for flow priority. - [Pascal] PHB means "per hop behavior" - [Shitanshu] Draft proposed code-point EF - [Herman] Why are emergency action outside of IP networks? - [Shitanshu] Other techniques are used which are not IP. - [Herman] There are IP-based solutions. Operate as dedicated network, not connected to complete Internet (non routable subnet), but use IP address. - [Shitanshu] We can remove the term IP. - [08.35] Agenda for new week meetings [Pascal] - Tuesday (Caribbean 2): - admin - we will have 5-10min during the ROLL meeting to present 6tsch - 6tsch meeting follows ROLL meeting, same room - we need to leave 15min before end to set up next meeting, so we will really only have one hour. - we will have projector, not clear whether we will be able to provide live online feed. - Goal: prepare for successful BoF in Berlin - Scope: the backbone with PCE (Path Computation Entity) and one or more LLN running 6LoWPAN, 6TSCH, RPL. - we use draft-phinney-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability as a starting point. - goals and deliverables: - informational: LLN context, architecture, terminology - new: 6tus, protocol for reserving track - adapt existing: OF for RPL, fragment forwarding (problems because don't have DSCP) - extern docs: backbone router (from 6MAN), PCE (is a WG, need to coordinate) - dependencies and liaison: - IEEE 802.1TSN (Norman) - ISA100.20 are defining arbstraction for management layer to manage the managers (e.g. blacklist channels). We could use same formats. - IoT6. European project. They use very similar architecture as ours. - Wednesday (Boca 2) - admin: - in Boca 2, which we can stay in past 1pm. - we will go over different drafts - draft-phinney-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability. - published at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-phinney-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability-02 - [Tom] Analysis of classifications of types of communications that occur. Applies to all automation systems, worked out over years by many people. - [Pascal] Good source of inspiration. - draft-watteyne-6tsch-tsch-lln-context - published at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-watteyne-6tsch-tsch-lln-context-01 - [Thomas] do not expect -02 for Orlando, but will need rewording for new terminology. - draft-wang-6tsch-6tus - [Pascal] Caution, we cannot reinvent MPLS. - [Xavi] will be published on Monday. - draft-palattella-6tsch-terminology - see presentation above - will be published on Monday. - draft-thubert-6tsch-architecture - [Pascal] will be work-in-progress for a long time, since incorporates changes/concepts from other drafts. - [Pascal] More text to follow: network synchronization, 6tus, management, etc. - [Thomas] Can be seen a index for other drafts, could serve as first draft to read when familiarizing with 6tsch. - [08.55] Priority discussion - [Thomas] We don't have much time left, so instead of starting discussion, will prepare slides for Wednesday meeting. - [Pascal] Will add slot for Wednesday meeting. - [Pascal] Pascal will meet with Shitanshu on Monday morning, Thomas will meet with Pascal on Monday evening and Tuesday. - [10.00] - [Thomas] Will be meeting stay at this time? - [Tom,Pascal] For the moment yes - [Pascal] There is not call next week because of IETF meeting. - [10.05] Meeting ends.
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