Re: [Ace] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-ace-key-groupcomm-17: (with COMMENT)

Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> Wed, 20 December 2023 01:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ace] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-ace-key-groupcomm-17: (with COMMENT)
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LGTM


On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 9:19 AM Marco Tiloca <marco.tiloca@ri.se> wrote:

> Hello Martin,
>
> Thanks a lot for your review! Please find in line below our detailed
> replies to your comments.
>
> A Github PR where we have addressed your comments is available at [PR].
>
> Unless any concern is raised, we plan to soon merge this PR (and the other
> ones related to other received reviews), and to submit the result as
> version -18 of the document.
>
> Thanks,
> /Marco
>
> [PR] https://github.com/ace-wg/ace-key-groupcomm/pull/164
>
> On 2023-11-28 22:11, Martin Duke via Datatracker wrote:
>
> Martin Duke has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-ace-key-groupcomm-17: No Objection
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> COMMENT:
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> Thanks to Vidhi Goel for the TSVART review.
>
> (2) "If it consists of an explicit entity such as a pub-sub Broker or a message
> relayer, the Dispatcher is comparable to an untrusted on-path intermediary, and
> as such it is able to read the messages sent by Clients in the group."
>
> Is this accurate? Why does the Dispatcher need the group key to relay messages?
>
>
>
> ==>MT
>
> We have rephrased the following two paragraphs of Section 2 as follows.
>
> OLD
> > Dispatcher: entity through which the Clients communicate with the group,
> when sending a message intended to multiple group members. That is, the
> Dispatcher distributes such a one-to-many message to the group members as
> intended recipients. A single-recipient message intended to only one group
> member may be delivered by alternative means, with no assistance from the
> Dispatcher.
>
> NEW (emphasis mine)
> Dispatcher: entity through which the Clients communicate with the group
> when sending a message intended to multiple group members. That is, the
> Dispatcher distributes such a one-to-many message to the group members as
> intended recipients. **The Dispatcher does not have access to the group
> keying material**. A single-recipient message intended to only one group
> member may be delivered by alternative means, with no assistance from the
> Dispatcher.
>
> OLD
> > If it consists of an explicit entity such as a pub-sub Broker or a
> message relayer, the Dispatcher is comparable to an untrusted on-path
> intermediary, and as such it is able to read the messages sent by Clients
> in the group.
>
> NEW (emphasis mine)
> > If it consists of an explicit entity such as a pub-sub Broker or a
> message relayer, the Dispatcher is comparable to an untrusted on-path
> intermediary, and as such it is able to **see the messages sent by Clients
> in the group, but not to decrypt them and read their plain content**.
>
> <==
>
> (3.3) s/since it allows to ask/since it allows the client to ask
>
>
> ==>MT
>
> Yes, now fixed.
>
> <==
>
>
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