Re: [Ace] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-ace-coap-est-17: (with COMMENT)

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From: "Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)" <pkampana@cisco.com>
To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ace] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-ace-coap-est-17: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Alissa 

This commit
https://github.com/SanKumar2015/EST-coaps/commit/a45eda375f4b228b4bcb29e142e
393cddbaa4e6a tries to address your feedback. The full discussion is in
https://github.com/SanKumar2015/EST-coaps/issues/157 

Let us know if it does not make sense. 

Rgs,
Panos

-----Original Message-----
From: Ace <ace-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Panos Kampanakis (pkampana)
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 11:50 PM
To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-ace-coap-est@ietf.org; ietf@augustcellars.com;
ace-chairs@ietf.org; ace@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ace] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on
draft-ietf-ace-coap-est-17: (with COMMENT)

Hi Alissa, 

Thank you for the feedback. 

> "It is also RECOMMENDED that the Implicit Trust Anchor database used 
> for EST server authentication is carefully managed to reduce the 
> chance of a third-party CA with poor certification practices 
> jeopardizing authentication."
> 
> This strikes me as a slightly odd use of normative language (what are the
exception cases when the trust anchor database should not be carefully
managed?).
> 

The blurb is directly from RFC7030. We reiterate it here to point it out as
a best practice and then we present a potential deviation from it for
constrained environments. 

To avoid this confusion we can rephrase it as 

    As discussed in Section 6 of [RFC7030], it is 
   "RECOMMENDED that the Implicit Trust Anchor database used
   for EST server authentication is carefully managed to reduce the
   chance of a third-party CA with poor certification practices
   jeopardizing authentication.  Disabling the Implicit Trust Anchor
   database after successfully receiving the Distribution of CA
   certificates response (Section 4.1.3 of [RFC7030]) limits any risk to
   the first DTLS exchange." [...]

Rgs,
Panos


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Subject: [Ace] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-ace-coap-est-17:
(with COMMENT)

Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-ace-coap-est-17: No Objection

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COMMENT:
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Section 10.1:

"It is also RECOMMENDED that the Implicit Trust Anchor database used
   for EST server authentication is carefully managed to reduce the
   chance of a third-party CA with poor certification practices
   jeopardizing authentication."

This strikes me as a slightly odd use of normative language (what are the
exception cases when the trust anchor database should not be carefully
managed?).


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