Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language
Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Thu, 14 May 2015 18:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language
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On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Peter Eckersley <pde@eff.org> wrote: > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:39:36PM +0000, Salz, Rich wrote: > >> > https://github.com/letsencrypt/acme-spec/issues > >> > >> I'd prefer if we just recorded issues there, but discussed them in the > mailing list. > > > > Folks should also be aware that because letsencypt needs to move fast to > > get working and interoperable clients and servers for its launch, > > there's a fair chance that it will wind up with a deployed solution that > > diverges from the draft spec in various ways, and can't block on an IETF > > WG's deliberations. > > > > For that reason I think it's probably best if the WG and spec work > > doesn't start in earnest until after Let's Encrypt has launched (IIRC > > that was the consensus in Dallas, too). And in the pre-launch period, a > > bug tracker is the most efficient and practical way for us to keep track > > of things that we absolutely need to fix/diverge from the draft spec on. > > Heya, this reads as if the IETF WG work should block on the > letsencrypt launch and it seemed pretty clear in Dallas that while > letsencrypt is a motivating effort to spin up ACME that neither should > in the short-term be very eeply dependent on each other. (and this is > coming from someone who is very excited about both efforts) > > Happy to be corrected if this was a misinterpretation or a mistake on my > part. > Nope, this matches my understanding. The two efforts can proceed independently, and we'll try to square them up in good time. --Ricahrd > > best, Joe > > > -- > > Peter Eckersley pde@eff.org > > Chief Computer Scientist Tel +1 415 436 9333 x131 > > Electronic Frontier Foundation Fax +1 415 436 9993 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Acme mailing list > > Acme@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/acme > > > > -- > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Chief Technologist > Center for Democracy & Technology > 1634 I ST NW STE 1100 > Washington DC 20006-4011 > (p) 202-407-8825 > (f) 202-637-0968 > joe@cdt.org > PGP: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key > fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871 > > _______________________________________________ > Acme mailing list > Acme@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/acme >
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- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Russ Housley
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- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Russ Housley
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Russ Housley
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Stephen Farrell
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- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Russ Housley
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Ted Hardie
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Russ Housley
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Randy Bush
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Ted Hardie
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Martin Thomson
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Salz, Rich
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Randy Bush
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Ted Hardie
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Ted Hardie
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Randy Bush
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Ted Hardie
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Martin Thomson
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Russ Housley
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Peter Eckersley
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Ted Hardie
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Russ Housley
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Paul Winkeler
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Acme] Proposed ACME Charter Language Michael Ströder