Re: [Acme] key agility?

Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> Fri, 19 December 2014 06:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Acme] key agility?
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On 2014-12-19 07:01, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On 12/19/2014 12:09 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>> On 2014-12-19 00:41, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Anders Rundgren
>>> <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>      With a multi-step protocol some kind of key agility should be
>>> possible to support.
>>>      The client could for example start with telling its
>>> preferences/capabilities.
>>>
>>>      Anders
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not know what you mean here.
>>>
>>
>> The ability to negotiate client key algorithm.
>
> I think Anders is hinting at something like the following:
>
>   * some TLS servers today have both RSA and ECDSA keys, and will offer a
> different cert depending on the capabilities offered by their clients.
>
>   * this capacity (to support both key algorithms at once) is an
> important one to be able to do a transition when dealing with a
> heterogenous network.
>
>   * acme should be able to support offering multiple certificates (with
> different key algorithms) to a single client which requests them.
>
> Anders, is that what you're talking about?

Indeed, pardon for being so unclear :-(

Anders

>
> 	--dkg
>