Re: [Add] [Doh] [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] Do53 vs DoT vs DoH Page Load Performance Study at ANRW
Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> Mon, 22 July 2019 21:27 UTC
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From: Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>
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Subject: Re: [Add] [Doh] [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] Do53 vs DoT vs DoH Page Load Performance Study at ANRW
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On Monday, 22 July 2019 21:19:47 UTC Jim Reid wrote: > > On 22 Jul 2019, at 21:52, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote: > > > > apparently ECS creates problems for privacy, but _how could we have > > suspected_? (that, by the way, was sarcasm.) > IIRC the ECS privacy issues were recognised at the time. raised, yes. recognized, no. > They lost out to > the argument that CDNs were already doing (or about to do) ECS and it would > be better (for some definition of better) if this was done in a way that > had an RFC behind it. this was said, and was false, at the time. it's more obviously false today, i think. -- Paul
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- Re: [Add] [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] Do53 vs DoT vs Do… Andrew Campling
- Re: [Add] [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] Do53 vs DoT vs Do… Paul Vixie
- Re: [Add] [Doh] [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] Do53 vs DoT… Jim Reid
- Re: [Add] [Doh] [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] Do53 vs DoT… Paul Vixie
- Re: [Add] [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] Do53 vs DoT vs Do… Willem Toorop
- Re: [Add] [DNSOP] Do53 vs DoT vs DoH Page Load Pe… Rob Sayre