Re: [alto] WGLC for draft-ietf-alto-incr-update-sse-11

"Vijay K. Gurbani" <vijay.gurbani@nokia.com> Mon, 02 July 2018 15:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [alto] WGLC for draft-ietf-alto-incr-update-sse-11
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Richard, one of them must provide a WGLC review for the draft.  The WG
must to due diligence through dedicated reviews to ensure that the work
reflects the consensus of the WG.

I will like to see new members to start contributing to the WG, as such
while my preference would be for Danny to review the draft and post WGLC
comments, I will leave it to the WG members to decide who will review it.

I was hesitant to ask Sabine and Jensen since, in all fairness, they
have done their share of reviews and comments over the years.  I
iterate, it would be great if other members of the WG step up to move
the work ahead.

>From a process point of view, I realize that the cutoff is today so I am
expecting that we will not be in time to submit a version.  However,
that is fine as long as we have a WGLC on the currently submitted draft
by the time we have our meeting on Monday, Jul-16.

After the meeting, I can do the proto-writeup and move the work ahead.

Cheers,

On 07/02/2018 09:46 AM, Y. Richard Yang wrote:
> Vijay,
> 
> The ideas that I posted were discussed with Sabine, Jensen, and Danny,
> who are not co-authors of the document.
> 
> I assume that they are busy today, as 8 pm ET today is IETF draft
> deadline. Maybe they can help with our review tomorrow (July 3) or the
> day after tomorrow (July 4), before the close :-)
> 
> Thanks!
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 9:34 AM Vijay K. Gurbani <vijay.gurbani@nokia.com
> <mailto:vijay.gurbani@nokia.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Folks: Following up on Richard's email, we need a dedicated WGLC review
>     for SSE from the WG.  Jan and I will like to invite at least one person
>     who is not an author to volunteer to review the draft as part of WGLC.
> 
>     Thus far, besides Richard's email, there has not been any review or
>     comments on the draft since it was released for WGLC.  We will need to
>     be more proactive as a WG to move pending work ahead.
> 
>     Please send me and Jan a message on whether you are able to perform a
>     review of the draft in short order so we can move it ahead
>     expeditiously.
> 
>     Thank you,
> 
>     On 07/01/2018 10:32 PM, Y. Richard Yang wrote:
>     > Dear WG,
>     >
>     > Thanks a lot for those who already sent comments to the authors! As an
>     > important service, this document can benefit from in-depth reviews, as
>     > Vijay pointed out.
>     >
>     > The main substantive comment so far is on clarifying the coupling
>     > between the Update Stream Service (USS), which will be used by the
>     > network to send SSE Update Messages to a client, and the Update Stream
>     > Control Service (USCS), which will be used by the client to
>     control the
>     > server, by sending add/remove of resources messages. In the current
>     > design, SSE update messages can provide the final outcome of a control
>     > request. The comment was whether this is a generic design.
>     >
>     > After extensive discussions among the authors, we propose to make the
>     > following revisions---these revisions will be simple and clean, and if
>     > approved by the WG, they can be updated right away:
>     >
>     > M1. The document clarifies that USS uses a *modular* design, in
>     that the
>     > Update Stream Service (USS) is a modular service. Hence, it can be
>     > controlled by not only USCS but also other potential control channels,
>     > such as a private control protocol. Hence, the messaging of USS, in
>     > particular, its Control Update Messages, should be (slightly)
>     revised to
>     > reflect this spirit.
>     >
>     > M2. The document clarifies that USS uses a self-contained design, to
>     > take advantage that current design can be simply, elegantly
>     extended to
>     > also report error updates. 
>     >
>     > The authors request that the WG approve these edits so that the
>     authors
>     > can proceed to submit a revision shortly, in just a couple days.
>     >
>     > Of course, the authors will also wait for other comments, until
>     the July
>     > 4th closing, to make a single, coherent edit.
>     >
>     > Thank you so much!
>     > Richard
>     >
>     > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:21 AM Vijay K. Gurbani
>     > <vijay.gurbani@nokia.com <mailto:vijay.gurbani@nokia.com>
>     <mailto:vijay.gurbani@nokia.com <mailto:vijay.gurbani@nokia.com>>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >     All: This email announces the WGLC for SSE [1]; the WGLC runs
>     from Wed,
>     >     Jun 20, 2018 to Wed, Jul 4, 2018.
>     >
>     >     We will like the community members to perform an in-depth
>     review of the
>     >     draft and post their comments, concerns or approval to the
>     mailing list
>     >     during this period, even if it is one liner expressing support for
>     >     moving the draft ahead.
>     >
>     >     [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-alto-incr-update-sse-11
>     >
>     >     Thank you,
>     >
>     >     - vijay
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>     <mailto:vijay.gurbani@nokia.com>
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>     - vijay
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>     <mailto:vijay.gurbani@nokia.com>
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