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Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Meeting notes from 6/24

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 05 July 2015 23:27 UTC

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 11:27:05 +1200
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Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Meeting notes from 6/24
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On 26/06/2015 19:03, Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anima-bootstrap [mailto:anima-bootstrap-bounces@ietf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Michael Richardson
>> Sent: 25 June 2015 20:10
>> To: anima-bootstrap@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Anima-bootstrap] Meeting notes from 6/24
>>
>>
>> Michael Behringer (mbehring) <mbehring@cisco.com> wrote:
>>     > A high level question up front: When we wrote draft-pritikin, we
>>     > started from the premise that the draft should describe the most secure
>>     > model as a reference, then in section 6, explains alternative models
>>     > which may be less secure, but more useful for certain environments. Are
>>     > we still sticking to this philosophy "describe best possible, and
>>     > separately less secure alternatives"? (I hope so ;-)
>>
>> I think that this is the best way.
> 
> Good - we're on the same page. 
>  
>> I wanted to describe the less secure ways as "mitigations" --- things you do
>> because you are unable to do a secure(r) thing.  Brian Carpenter did not like
>> that term, and I'm still trying to understand why.
> 
> That term doesn't sound right to me either. From dictionary.reference.com: 
> 
> 1. the act of mitigating, or lessening the force or intensity of something unpleasant, as wrath, pain, grief, or extreme circumstances: 
> Social support is the most important factor in the mitigation of stress among adolescents.
> 
> 2. the act of making a condition or consequence less severe: 
> the mitigation of a punishment.
> 
> 3. the process of becoming milder, gentler, or less severe. 
> 
> 4. a mitigating circumstance, event, or consequence.
> 
> bottom line: to me "mitigation" is a positive thing (see definition 3). It's making something bad feel less bad. I think if you take any of the less secure options, you SHOULD feel bad :-) 
> 
> Call it "less secure options" - that's what it is. 

Exactly.

    Brian

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