Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-08.txt
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 25 September 2017 13:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-08.txt
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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > I get a bit confused by the way your mail agent doesn't distinguish > new and old text, but in line... Well, there isn't any old text in it, rather there are quotes from the document! brian> Toerless explained elsewhere why he thinks the duplication is brian> needed. I read that after my email. I simply can't agree. >> ====== section 11 >> This document may be considered to be updating the IPv6 addressing >> architecture ([RFC4291]) and/or the Unique Local IPv6 Unicast >> addresses ([RFC4193]) depending on how strict specific statements in >> >> I don't like this statement. Either it violates the spec, and updates it, or >> it does not. I do not think that it violates. This is not a multi-link >> subnet, this is a prefix that is not on-link. brian> As readers of the 6man list know, this has been a very contentious topic. brian> I think it's safer to duck it in the ACP draft: say what we do, but say brian> nothing about RFC4291 etc. I agree. >> It is possible, that this scheme constitutes an update to RFC4191 >> because the same 64 bit subnet prefix is used across many ACP >> devices. The ACP Zone addressing Sub-Scheme is very similar to the >> common operational practices of assigning /128 loopback addresses to >> network devices from the same /48 or /64 subnet prefix. >> >> It does not. Brian? Do you concur? > Put it this way. The ACP doesn't assign ULAs using DHCPv6. It doesn't assign > them using SLAAC. It doesn't use conventionally sized /64 subnets. So in that > sense it is like RFC 6164 ("Using 127-Bit IPv6 Prefixes on Inter-Router Links"). > But we don't need to apologise. As you say, we're simply assigning /128 > addresses to (virtual) interfaces using our own scheme. And we're relying > on BCP 198 (RFC 7608) which says that routing prefixes can be any length > up to /128. If you want to cite anything, cite RFC 7608. Toerless, do you want text to say this? draft> The goal for the 8 or 16-bit addresses available to an ACP device in draft> this scheme is to assign them as required to software components, draft> which in autonomic networking are called ASA (Autonomic Service mcr> We are not providing 8-bit or 16-bit IIDs. mcr> We are providing 256 or 65536 /128 addresses which are conveniently mcr> aggregated for routing purposes. draft> In practical terms, the ACP should be enabled to create from its /8 draft> or /16 prefix one or more device internal virtual subnets and to draft> start software components connected to those virtual subnets. mcr> No, don't say this, and don't do this in practice. Create /128 routes to LL mcr> address of the internal VM and configure the /128 as a loopback address mcr> inside the VM. brian> So yes, I concur with Michael. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- Re: [Anima] Some questions to the WG: [I-D Action… Michael Richardson
- [Anima] Some questions to the WG: [I-D Action: dr… Brian E Carpenter
- [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-co… internet-drafts
- Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomi… Brian E Carpenter
- [Anima] ANIMA ACP -08 -- estimating depth of DODA… Michael Richardson
- [Anima] VLANs and draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-cont… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] VLANs and draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomi… Toerless Eckert
- [Anima] ACP -10 [was Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-a… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] ACP -10 [was Re: I-D Action: draft-ie… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] ACP -10 [was Re: I-D Action: draft-ie… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] ACP -10 [was Re: I-D Action: draft-ie… Brian E Carpenter
- [Anima] GRASP objective details for registrar (wa… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] GRASP objective details for registrar Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] GRASP objective details for registrar Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomi… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] ACP -10 [was Re: I-D Action: draft-ie… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] GRASP objective details for registrar Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] ACP -10 [was Re: I-D Action: draft-ie… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomi… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] ACP -10 [was Re: I-D Action: draft-ie… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] GRASP objective details for registrar… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] GRASP objective details for registrar Toerless Eckert
- [Anima] GRASP objectives used in multiple documen… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomi… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] GRASP objective details for registrar Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] I-D Action: draft-ietf-anima-autonomi… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] GRASP objectives used in multiple doc… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] GRASP objectives used in multiple doc… Brian E Carpenter