Re: [Anima] [homenet] ANIMA scope + homenet interaction + charter v15

Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com> Fri, 31 October 2014 14:56 UTC

Return-Path: <jiangsheng@huawei.com>
X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A671A908D; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.211
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ByYtYdwlcMY; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:56:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E597E1A9076; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:55:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BOG70899; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:55:28 +0000 (GMT)
Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:55:27 +0000
Received: from NKGEML512-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.7.22]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:55:21 +0800
From: Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com>
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Thread-Topic: [Anima] [homenet] ANIMA scope + homenet interaction + charter v15
Thread-Index: AQHP9Re8b4wGgKR4VUqVVzrN4+BChZxKST3w
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:55:20 +0000
Message-ID: <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B923AF6C8A9@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com>
References: <544FF8FC.5090103@cisco.com> <95338658-B4F2-4634-AC7B-7B893C4DEF2E@iki.fi> <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B923AF6C46E@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <DEB8F897-3CED-4C59-BEBF-BF64096282F2@fugue.com> <5D36713D8A4E7348A7E10DF7437A4B923AF6C7AE@nkgeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com>, <8490A544-45A9-45D2-9C98-D3CBEB28651D@fugue.com>
In-Reply-To: <8490A544-45A9-45D2-9C98-D3CBEB28651D@fugue.com>
Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US
Content-Language: en-GB
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [10.45.29.140]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/anima/bNEZAY81GHWdYdrN7h3XQKCgjSQ
Cc: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>, "homenet@ietf.org" <homenet@ietf.org>, Markus Stenberg <markus.stenberg@iki.fi>, "anima@ietf.org" <anima@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Anima] [homenet] ANIMA scope + homenet interaction + charter v15
X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach <anima.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/anima>, <mailto:anima-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/anima/>
List-Post: <mailto:anima@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:anima-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima>, <mailto:anima-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:56:03 -0000

Hi, Ted,

I now understand your point. Your arguments do make sense. The current general mechanism are too general to work for the use case of hierarchical prefix delegation. But if we add hierarchical topology and no bypass requests as constraint conditions, we may be able to make hierarchical prefix delegation work.

Best regards,

Sheng
________________________________________
From: Ted Lemon [mellon@fugue.com]
Sent: 31 October 2014 22:34
To: Sheng Jiang
Cc: Benoit Claise; homenet@ietf.org; Markus Stenberg; anima@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Anima] [homenet] ANIMA scope + homenet interaction + charter v15

On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com> wrote:
> Are you talking about assigning prefix for homenet? I thought we were talking about auto prefix management in a large network, which is ANIMA use case.

In either case, it's important to make the distinction between prefix assignment and prefix delegation.   In an autonomous network, I don't think it's practical to do hierarchical prefix delegation.   That has the unfortunate consequence that there can't be any routing aggregation.   The delegating router can of course _try_ to keep the topology clean, but routing has to work even if it fails.

That being the case, every delegation _request_ should be for a /64, because every delegation request should be a request for a /64 to configure on an interface of a router.   Whether or not aggregation occurs is up to whichever device is the delegating router.   Having a distributed delegation framework is probably a good idea, but a hierarchical distribution won't work, so the idea that a router could request prefixes to be delegated and then re-delegate some of those prefixes is, IMHO, not going to work.