Re: [Anima] [homenet] ANIMA scope + homenet interaction + charter v15

Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 31 October 2014 23:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Anima] [homenet] ANIMA scope + homenet interaction + charter v15
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> On Oct 31, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well yes. That's exactly why in autonomic management of prefixes,
>> we need peer to peer negotiation, as in "I need 3 /64s that I
>> don't have, do you have any spare ones for me?" Maybe it's
>> badly explained but that is the whole point of our use case.
> 
> Sure, you can approach it as a sort of flood fill algorithm that tries to optimize for route aggregation, but copes if that optimization doesn't pan out.
> 
Do we have use cases in which the number of links is so large that unaggregated routing tables will be a problem?

- Ralph