Re: [Anima] WG input needed: Ben Campbell's question on GRASP (1)

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 01 June 2017 03:52 UTC

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To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Anima] WG input needed: Ben Campbell's question on GRASP (1)
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On 30/05/2017 06:51, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>     >> -7, Grasp Message and Options table: Why "Standards Action"? Would you
>     >> expect some harm to be done if this were only Spec Required?
> 
>     > Personal opinion: I see potential for harm. I could imagine that if
>     > GRASP is a success, then with experience we might be more relaxed about
>     > it, but for now I tend to be conservative about it. Of course, the WG
>     > may disagree...
> 
> Is it easier to raise the bar or lower it?  I think lowering is easier.
> I could live with "Spec Required" or even FCFS for M_* values >65536, btw.

Probably, but it's definitely impossible to squeeze toothpaste back in the tube,
so IMHO lowering the bar later is the safer approach.

    Brian
    
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> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>  -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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