Re: [Anima] Multicast in the ACP?

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 22 April 2015 21:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Anima] Multicast in the ACP?
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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> The discovery component of GDNP includes link-local multicast
    >>> messages.  As far as we know, there is no way to secure these
    >>> messages, but by definition they are only intended for autonomic
    >>> nodes, which should all be part of the ACP.
    >>>
    >>> So, is there any way to support secure link-local multicast within
    >>> the ACP?
    >>
    >> The ACP as described in draft-behringer-anima-autonomic-control-plane
    >> is based on a hop by hop tunnel infrastructure. So far those tunnels
    >> are all point to point. I guess you can send a link-local multicast
    >> packet through such a tunnel, and it would automatically benefit from
    >> the security of that tunnel. But of course there is only one other
    >> node on that "link".

    > Right, so we would have to specify a "replicast", where the sender
    > copies the message to each ACP tunnel. That seems like a lot of
    > overhead.

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast/
describes a way to do multicast across that collection of links... that is if
we can ever get it through the IESG.

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