Re: [apps-discuss] request for review: draft-bvandervalk-sadi-00.txt (individual submission)

Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Thu, 23 February 2012 02:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] request for review: draft-bvandervalk-sadi-00.txt (individual submission)
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My feeling is that this draft would not be a good investment of IETF
time.  The adoption RDF and OWL is moderate at best, and to the extent
that this sort of highly semantic business-oriented thing needs
standards-group attention, it probably doesn't need the IETF's.  -Tim

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Ben Vandervalk <ben.vvalk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have recently submitted an I-D (as an individual) regarding RDF/OWL-based
> web services called SADI (Semantic Automated Discovery and Integration).
>
> My intent is to put this I-D on the standards track, and I have been advised
> that the first step is to solicit comments/reviews on this list, in order to
> guage interest.
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> There are currently three implementations of SADI in Java, Perl, and Python,
> which are available from http://sadi.googlecode.com/. The Java and Perl
> implementations were created by the authors, whereas the Python
> implementation was created independently by Jim McCusker of MSU. The Python
> implementation does not yet implement all of the features in the draft, but
> we think it is likely that Jim will expand his implementation in time, or
> that other parties will create additional implementations of SADI.
>
> I am unfamiliar with IETF procedures regarding individual submissions and
> would appreciate any advice in that regard as well.
>
> Thanks for your consideration!
>
> ======
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories. This is an Individual Submission.
>
>        Title : SADI: Semantic Automated Discovery and Integration
>        Author(s) : Ben Vandervalk, E. Luke McCarthy, Mark D. Wilkinson
>        Filename : draft-bvandervalk-sadi-00.txt
>        Pages : 31
>        Date : 2012-01-31
>
> This document describes Semantic Automated Discovery and Integration
> (SADI), a set of best practices for implementing stateless web
> services that consume RDF data as input and generate RDF data as
> output. The goal of SADI is to establish conventions that will
> enable a much higher level of interoperability between web services
> from independent providers than is currently possible under the
> widespread use of WSDL/XML and RESTful services. Under SADI,
> interoperability depends on the shared use of predicate vocabularies,
> rather than the shared use of particular XML schemas, JSON
> structures, or ad hoc data formats. Through the use of OWL to
> describe service input and output datatypes, SADI enables: i)
> automated discovery of services that provide data or computations of
> interest, and ii) automated matchmaking between local data and
> available services. By iterative application of the former two
> capabilities, SADI enables semi-automated construction of arbitrarily
> complex workflows across independent service providers.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bvandervalk-sadi-00.txt
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> -- Ben Vandervalk
> Wilkinson Lab, University of British Columbia
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