Re: [apps-discuss] Non-English reading lists (was: Re: Request to publish draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3536bis-02)
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Fri, 10 June 2011 21:13 UTC
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From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Non-English reading lists (was: Re: Request to publish draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3536bis-02)
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--On Friday, June 10, 2011 21:15 +0200 Frank Ellermann <hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10 June 2011 16:05, John C Klensin wrote: > >> A big problem, especially for a BCP or standards-track >> document, is the question of evaluation of the references. > > Yes, and actually I could not evaluate anything in your > reading list, because I won't buy books just because > they are mentioned in an I-D I care about, and I'm no > member of any library at the moment. In essence the > same problem why I don't like ISO standards unless I > find a free online version at ECMA or elsewhere. Understood. >> If you want to gather up some people who could do >> (and that includes cross-checking and evaluating) >> a reading list in one or more languages (I'd >> recommend doing it in annotated bibliography form) > [...] > > Well, no, we discussed the one and only German book > I could contribute to this BCP offlist, and agreed > that adding it does not really help with the issue. > > But your I-D still asks for a general solution, and > my proposal would be "RFC fan pages", e.g., a Wiki > based on MediaWiki (but not another Wiki software) > with a page for each RFC, and a "talk" page for the > community. Or something in this direction cooked > up by the IETF tools folks. Whatever the solution > is, it should somehow integrate the errata process, > and offer pointers to related RFC xxxx-bis mailing > lists. Well, I didn't see myself asking for a general solution. While it is just my personal opinion, I think a German-only reading list should be perfectly publishable. If it then was supplemented by, e.g., Dutch-only, Swedish-only, Norwegian-only, Japanese-only, Chinese-only, or Ukrainian-only one, that would be great too, except that I think we'd have a lot less difficulty finding independent reviewers for the first seven than for Ukrainian. While I think any of those --either single-language or multilingual-- would be useful, I carefully made my proposal in a way that would, IMO, fall well within RFC Editor precedents and RSE discretion based on those precedents. I deliberately did not address your broader dreams/fantasies precisely because they would require fundamental changes to how we do things that aren't going to happen any time soon (regardless of whether I think they are good ideas or not). >... john
- [apps-discuss] Request to publish draft-ietf-apps… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] Request to publish draft-ietf-… Frank Ellermann
- [apps-discuss] Non-English reading lists (was: Re… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-discuss] Request to publish draft-ietf-… Resnick, Pete
- Re: [apps-discuss] Non-English reading lists (was… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [apps-discuss] Non-English reading lists (was… John C Klensin