Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg-greylisting-04
"Murray S. Kucherawy" <msk@cloudmark.com> Sat, 18 February 2012 04:41 UTC
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> -----Original Message----- > From: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John Levine > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:29 PM > To: apps-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg-greylisting-04 > > Looks pretty good. A few minor points: > > In section 3, I think that you should point out that a in a successful > greylister, all the regular correspondents will be whitelisted, so the > only mail that is delayed is mail from an IP that has never sent mail > before, or sent mail so long ago that it's fallen out of the whitelist. > In mail systems I've used, the vast majority of mail comes from places > on the whitelist, so after a training period (which you can fake by > watching traffic before you turn on the greylister and seed the > whitelist with all the addresses you've seen) only a small proportion > of mail should be affected. Sure, a description of the "steady state" would be a reasonable thing to add. I'll schedule that for the next revision, probably late next week after MAAWG. > In section 3 and again in section 9.2, it refers to the size of the > database. My total database is under 40,000 entries, including 92 > IPv6 addresses. I expect a larger system would have a larger database, > but it would be a pretty feeble server that would have trouble with a > table even ten times that size. My manual whitelist has 62 entries, > mostly CIDR ranges, probably half of which are stale but there's not > much incentive to clean it out. That's good news. I wonder if we can get a couple of other greylisting sites to provide their database sizes too so we know for sure that this is fairly consistent. Thanks, -MSK
- [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg-gre… SM
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… Tony Finch
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… SM
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… SM
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… SM
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- [apps-discuss] BCP, AS, something else? (was RE: … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… John Levine
- Re: [apps-discuss] Comments on draft-ietf-appsawg… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] BCP, AS, something else? (was … Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] BCP, AS, something else? (was … Ned Freed